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This thread will get heated. It shouldn't be long before the righties come in here and start trashing the place.
Yes, because the current system--owned by the insurance and pharmaceutical companies--works so stupendously well. Besides, any truly compassionate American knows that to have a public health care system would be terribly tragic for corporate interests--and by golly, that just wouldn't be fair! In fact, it's socialist! Don't even try to argue with me. I know this to be true because Limbaugh and Beck told me so. And also because all liberals--especially the elite (i.e. educated) ones--are horrible human beings who want to destroy the American way of life. And Mr. Limbaugh said that Pelosi and the "radical House of Representatives" are all gang-rapists. Their leader, Barack Obama, is making them gang-rape the American people. Don't even try to argue with me. I know this to be true because . . . . well, it's just true, and you're just blind if you don't see it. Gay rights, public health care, cleaner energy and environment: we are witnessing the end of America, folks. Grab your guns, hit the bunkers, and get ready to defend yourself against the advancing liberal horde.
Yes, because the current system--owned by the insurance and pharmaceutical companies--works so stupendously well. Besides, any truly compassionate American knows that to have a public health care system would be terribly tragic for corporate interests--and by golly, that just wouldn't be fair! In fact, it's socialist! Don't even try to argue with me. I know this to be true because Limbaugh and Beck told me so. And also because all liberals--especially the elite (i.e. educated) ones--are horrible human beings who want to destroy the American way of life. And Mr. Limbaugh said that Pelosi and the "radical House of Representatives" are all gang-rapists. Their leader, Barack Obama, is making them gang-rape the American people. Don't even try to argue with me. I know this to be true because . . . . well, it's just true, and you're just blind if you don't see it. Gay rights, public health care, cleaner energy and environment: we are witnessing the end of America, folks. Grab your guns, hit the bunkers, and get ready to defend yourself against the advancing liberal horde.
AMAZING post...absolutely Love it!
I'm afraid it will be lost on some of the religous, gun totting, baccy chewing, elitist right
This is really simple; very little of what the government accomplishes turns out to be efficient and all encompassing. They will simply trade one set of problems for another, and most likely at a much higher end-result cost (to those who actually pay taxes that is). I could be persuaded into a catastrophic medical policy for all, but there is no way I would willingly hand over my day to day healthcare to the government. Yes, I understand that at the current time the saying is "if you like your current plan, you can keep it". Let us be real here though, this is a stepping stone to total takeover.
Great links.
I'm afraid that Facts have never gotten in the way of the Anti UHC brigade's argument. I have watched News reporters blatantly lie about the UK UHC and some gullable Americans believe them.
And that has to do with the ruling in Akre V Fox News, in which the US judicial system gave the right for ALL domestic media to lie in their newscasts, so as to protect their parent corporation's investments.
This is really simple; very little of what the government accomplishes turns out to be efficient and all encompassing. They will simply trade one set of problems for another, and most likely at a much higher end-result cost (to those who actually pay taxes that is). I could be persuaded into a catastrophic medical policy for all, but there is no way I would willingly hand over my day to day healthcare to the government. Yes, I understand that at the current time the saying is "if you like your current plan, you can keep it". Let us be real here though, this is a stepping stone to total takeover.
There is NO total takeover. A UHC is for everyone but if you want a Private Health Insurance you can still have it but it will be much much cheaper and more efficient as it has to now compete with a UHC for your Custom. At the moment the Private Insurance Companies have Americans over a barrel and can charge whatever they want and refuse whatever treatment they do not want to cover or pay for.
The greatest irony about the American health care system is that it's the most expensive in the world. It's 15% of our GDP, while France's is only 11%. And then these lies perpetuated that the government's going to take over the whole system.
It's like people can't think for themselves and simply buy into the propaganda from the far right.
I struggle to understand this desire to make citizens compete against one another for their health. It's like this core philosophy of free markets has to be applied to EVERYTHING, whether it's barbaric to do so or not.
Doesn't sound like the American vision that built this nation - one in which everybody helped one another out.
Yes, I understand that at the current time the saying is "if you like your current plan, you can keep it". Let us be real here though, this is a stepping stone to total takeover.
Oh really? Why is that? You admit yourself that consumers have the choice to stick with private insurance. Is it perhaps because people will prefer the government's plan? If the best possible argument that the republicans have against UHC is that it will be preferable over our current system, then I think thay they are in trouble. Of course, that's not stopping them from making it.
You really have to love the far right though... they have no shame.
This is really simple; very little of what the government accomplishes turns out to be efficient and all encompassing. They will simply trade one set of problems for another, and most likely at a much higher end-result cost (to those who actually pay taxes that is). I could be persuaded into a catastrophic medical policy for all, but there is no way I would willingly hand over my day to day healthcare to the government. Yes, I understand that at the current time the saying is "if you like your current plan, you can keep it". Let us be real here though, this is a stepping stone to total takeover.
It's health insurance. Not your day to day health care. Your doctor provides you with health care. The two are separate issues.
Oh really? Why is that? You admit yourself that consumers have the choice to stick with private insurance. Is it perhaps because people will prefer the government's plan? If the best possible argument that the republicans have against UHC is that it will be preferable over our current system, then I think thay they are in trouble. Of course, that's not stopping them from making it.
You really have to love the far right though... they have no shame.
How's this for a reason;
Those who have the money to afford their own private health insurance are happy with what they have. Those who want government health insurance are not happy with the current system.
If we move to a government health insurance system that allows those who want to keep their current system, those who have the money to afford good private health insurance will keep that. Those who cannot afford the good private insurance will happily take the government plan, right?
Now, who's going to be paying for that government plan, which those with good private plans will not use? It will be those same people who can afford the private plan, and therefore don't need the government plan. Will those people who want government heath insurance, because they can't afford good private insurance now, be asked to pony up any additional money in taxes? Likely not. So what you are asking is for a bunch of people who are happy with what they have now to pay a bunch of money to the government so the government can give a bunch of OTHER people a benefit that those paying for it do not want or need.
Do you see the reason for the dissatisfaction?
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Why is that? You admit yourself that consumers have the choice to stick with private insurance. Is it perhaps because people will prefer the government's plan? If the best possible argument that the republicans have against UHC is that it will be preferable over our current system, then I think thay they are in trouble. Of course, that's not stopping them from making it. 
