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great post, old_cold. I heard Frank Lutz (the pollster) yesterday say that money from Medicare (which is going bankrupt as it is) will be diverted to fund Obama's health care plan. That means that seniors will have even less care than they do now.
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Amazes me how here in America, if you don't understand something it must be bad or unworkable. This applies to a uhc. Many come on here saying how a uhc just couldn't work in America, yet they have absolutely no proof that it could not work. All of the Countries with a uhc are extremely happy with them and have health cover for every citizen. None of the uhc countries are having the heated debate over their health system because the proof is that it works very well and it works for everyone. Our system in America fails millions and bankrupts more people than anything else in America, yet there are those out there fighting to keep this broken system here.
You can scream all you like at town hall meetings, on here or anywhere else for that matter but our health system has failed big time. Uhc's work in every Country that they have been implemented in. Are we American's now so pathetic and paranoid that we are putting our own self interest ahead of the well being of America. The answer is a resounding YES.
If one American citizen dies because of lack of health cover then that is one American too many but it is thousands every year. Makes you proud to be American doesn't it?
What planet are you from? The countries with universal health care have waiting lists years long for simple operations. The people with the means COME HERE to get the operations they CAN'T get in their country with universal health care. Healthcare is NOT A RIGHT and must be paid for by the person needing the service Not The Government. I'm all for making insurance coverage available to all but it WILL cost you more for a preexisting condition or chronic abuse (ie going to the emergency department for a cold). People have to start taking some responsibility for themselves and stop relying on the Government to do everything for them. Get off your a$$es and work for something!
What planet are you from? The countries with universal health care have waiting lists years long for simple operations. The people with the means COME HERE to get the operations they CAN'T get in their country with universal health care. Healthcare is NOT A RIGHT and must be paid for by the person needing the service Not The Government. I'm all for making insurance coverage available to all but it WILL cost you more for a preexisting condition or chronic abuse (ie going to the emergency department for a cold). People have to start taking some responsibility for themselves and stop relying on the Government to do everything for them. Get off your a$$es and work for something!
Where are you getting this garbage from?
I use a UHC and i do NOT wait years for a simple operation, however there are millions in America who never get a simple operation because they have NO health cover. I had a lump removed from my wrist. From seeing my GP to seeing the specialist and then having the minoe op took no more than two months. This was a non urgent op and only took two months. Urgent ops are fast tracked and seen to immediately. It is NOT rellying on the Govt to look after you with a UHC. The Doctors decide on your treatment under a UHC and not the CEO's in a Insurance company as in America. It is a great system that works for everyone and not just the elite who expect to be pampered just because they have money for health cover. Diabetes is a chronic illness that will stop you getting cover if you already suffer with it under todays health system in America. Diabetes is NOT excluded from treatment under a UHC. NO illness is excluded under a UHC. You CANNOT say that about the present health system in America.
I marvel at the process from which waiting a few weeks for a specialist (something many of us already do here in the States) becomes "waiting years for a simple operation".
While it's true there may be some waiting for some things, people do get prioritized based on urgency.
Why do we always get the "fear" message from the conservative side? Be afraid we don't want to have a government sponsored health bill because,,,,,,, This is crazy people, the VA is a government run medical program, medicare is a government run program, the civil service employees have a government run program, and the last time I heard anything from others ~ it seemed to be working just fine and much better then the other programs with the insurance companies dropping you coverage, denying claims, and having you pay for the out of pocket costs. I don't want anymore of the insurance criminals telling me what I can or can't have done for my medical needs thank you.
The rest of the civilized world has government run health care,,,,, why not America?
They refuse to consider tort reform so the cost of malpractice insurance would be reduced therefore reducing medical costs. 84% of the people are happy with their health insurance. There are many people who do not have health insurance who are eligible for assistance but don't apply. Obama and his team of losers are not listening to the American people, rather only interested in their own accolades.
Where are you getting this garbage from?I use a UHC and i do NOT wait years for a simple operation, however there are millions in America who never get a simple operation because they have NO health cover. I had a lump removed from my wrist. From seeing my GP to seeing the specialist and then having the minoe op took no more than two months. This was a non urgent op and only took two months. Urgent ops are fast tracked and seen to immediately. It is NOT rellying on the Govt to look after you with a UHC. The Doctors decide on your treatment under a UHC and not the CEO's in a Insurance company as in America. It is a great system that works for everyone and not just the elite who expect to be pampered just because they have money for health cover. Diabetes is a chronic illness that will stop you getting cover if you already suffer with it under todays health system in America. Diabetes is NOT excluded from treatment under a UHC. NO illness is excluded under a UHC. You CANNOT say that about the present health system in America.
I don't know maybe THE NEWS!!! If UHC is so excellent why do Canadians come to the US for cancer treatments? Why do they pay for it out of their own pockets rather than WAIT for the disease to worsen under UHC. No one who walks into an Emergency Room in the US is denied treatment....No One! The majority of people in this country are covered by insurance. They are happy with the plans they have and do not want to go to an inferior single payer system just so the very few who do not have health coverage in some form can get free health care. In the USA people WORK for what they have. Healthcare is a benefit enjoyed by those who work for a living or those who HAVE worked for a living under the Medicaid/Medicare system. The outrage with the groups at the "town meetings" comes from the average citizen being fed up with the government taking yet another benefit away from the haves and giving it to the have nots. They are sick and tired of Obama's march toward socialism and are standing up for themselves. They don't want to bail out anyone else, not banks, not car companies, not the National Endowment for the Arts, not the lay abouts, not the sub-prime mortgage recipients, not the illegal aliens, not the people who can't qualify for health insurance, not the people who cannot afford to buy a car. They work hard for their money and do not want it taken away and doled out as the liberal government sees fit. This is not the USSR though it sure is headed that way! You dismiss these people at your own peril.
They refuse to consider tort reform so the cost of malpractice insurance would be reduced therefore reducing medical costs. 84% of the people are happy with their health insurance. There are many people who do not have health insurance who are eligible for assistance but don't apply. Obama and his team of losers are not listening to the American people, rather only interested in their own accolades.
Keep reading Ellwood. I do not believe the 84%, way too high, closer to 60% maybe. However, as time passes those numbers will drop and it will be quicker than the space of time between Hillary's mess in 1993 and now.
All medical lawsuits equal less than 1%. And many do not apply for medical assistance because they have too many assets, like a car or house or an account. So, they go bankrupt. We have a pathetic system that is out of control. I'm for strict regulation of the insurance industry with a 2% increase in taxes to fund portable-affordable insurance that is not reliant on employer contributions at all. This would be a public-private enterprise and if the insurance companies didn't like it, as the old russian proverb goes...toughshiztsky.
Keep reading Ellwood. I do not believe the 84%, way too high, closer to 60% maybe. However, as time passes those numbers will drop and it will be quicker than the space of time between Hillary's mess in 1993 and now.
All medical lawsuits equal less than 1%. And many do not apply for medical assistance because they have too many assets, like a car or house or an account. So, they go bankrupt. We have a pathetic system that is out of control. I'm for strict regulation of the insurance industry with a 2% increase in taxes to fund portable-affordable insurance that is not reliant on employer contributions at all. This would be a public-private enterprise and if the insurance companies didn't like it, as the old russian proverb goes...toughshiztsky.
We do need reform but....your underlined statement is very nice but where do you get the 2%?
And med mal increases costs , not just due to covering premiums but by all the excessive cover-your-butt testing and referrel to specialists.....much more than 1% in total.
I don't know maybe THE NEWS!!! If UHC is so excellent why do Canadians come to the US for cancer treatments? Why do they pay for it out of their own pockets rather than WAIT for the disease to worsen under UHC. No one who walks into an Emergency Room in the US is denied treatment....No One! The majority of people in this country are covered by insurance. They are happy with the plans they have and do not want to go to an inferior single payer system just so the very few who do not have health coverage in some form can get free health care. In the USA people WORK for what they have. Healthcare is a benefit enjoyed by those who work for a living or those who HAVE worked for a living under the Medicaid/Medicare system. The outrage with the groups at the "town meetings" comes from the average citizen being fed up with the government taking yet another benefit away from the haves and giving it to the have nots. They are sick and tired of Obama's march toward socialism and are standing up for themselves. They don't want to bail out anyone else, not banks, not car companies, not the National Endowment for the Arts, not the lay abouts, not the sub-prime mortgage recipients, not the illegal aliens, not the people who can't qualify for health insurance, not the people who cannot afford to buy a car. They work hard for their money and do not want it taken away and doled out as the liberal government sees fit. This is not the USSR though it sure is headed that way! You dismiss these people at your own peril.
When was the last time you went to a hospital and saw all these Canadians in American Beds waiting for cancer treatment? Where are all these foreign UHC patients queing up for American Health treatment?
If millions of Americans could afford to go to Canada for treatment there would be a Exodus. Canada does not just take anyone for treatment, neither does the UK or other UHC Countries. You must be a legal resident or citizen of that country to get full treatment. NO ONE is denied treatment in a UHC Emergency room...NO ONE!
NO the majority in America are not happy with their health cover, if they were this would be a NON ISSUE as it is in UHC Countries. Health is the biggest issue in the USA at the moment. Look at the posts on here, it attracts more posters than any other issue and that is because millions are unhappy with it. 40,000,000 people WITHOUT health cover is FAR from a "few".
In the UK, people work for what they have but also have compassion for those less fortunate than themselves. Some America have lost all compassion and now praise greed....Disgusting!
The frenzy at the town halls is caused by the media whipping up hysteria.
You talk about "socialism" but haven't got a clue what it really is. America already has "Socialism"...oh i forgot it's just for the huge banks etc when they need the Govt. to SAVE THEM.
America has already turned into a USSR type country. It now has the strong divide between the have and have nots as in Russia. Socialism and Communism are quite different and America seems to want to lean towards the hierarchy of Communism...pity.
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