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Then I guess you should all give up medicare since it is run by the gov't. It may not be perfect ( as any health care reform will not be perfect ) but it is sure is nice to have even if you are rich enough to pay cash for your health care.
If you give up Medicare, you have nothing. You will not be insured by anyone without paying for Medicare first. Even if you are working and have good coverage, at age 65 the employer plan will force you into a Medicare subsidy plan. Generally, working people cannot afford to pay for their own health care. Even more true for those who are retired and depending on their social security alone. Not everyone has pensions in addition to SS.
What someone said about not enough doctors could well be true because even now doctors accept only so many Medicare patients and then close the door to new ones. They know how much they can afford to "lose" in income. Medicare pays them very little so they'd rather give that place to regularly insured patients. I don't think there's anything in the proposed health care plan that mandates all physicians have to take everyone, and if current Medicare becomes the public plan (assuming that is still an option on the table) they definitely will limit their patients or they'll have to go our of business.
What also is going to hurt is the proposal being put forth to force religious hospitals to perform procedures that they are against (such as abortions) or face closure. Many religious hospitals treat people who have no insurance and no means of paying for care. I guess the thought is to force all those into the public program and have taxpayers pay for them.
What does basic health care have to do with politics??
A country of compassionate people would not allow some of their citizens to die from medical neglect just because they have a low income. Especially children.
Today on C-Span’s Washington Journal, a caller told a story of how he was forced to see numerous doctors at different hospitals in the area in where he lives, some as far as 100 miles away, to get a diagnosis. The caller then faulted health insurance companies for preventing the practice of having “diagnostic tests done under one roof.” “So in essence,” the caller noted, “the insurance companies are the ones controlling what tests you can get, when you get them, how you get them and if they’re accepted or not.”
the diffrence is under the government plan if you dont like the service you are getting there will be no other place for you to go you will just have to shut up and take it.Under free market you can take your money go some where else.you dont have to stay with that company.yes there is ration care now and there will be under the government plan even more so.the only loosers will be the cosumers
because they will have no choice
What does basic health care have to do with politics??
A country of compassionate people would not allow some of their citizens to die from medical neglect just because they have a low income. Especially children.
I don't know, but all you have to do is look in the Politics & Other Controversies forum to see how politicized the issue is. All of the right-wingers are blathering on about government takeover of healthcare when the house healthcare reform bill that's being considered now is all about insurance mandates.
Personally, I'd rather have government takeover healthcare than be forced to pay for private health insurance--I don't trust private insurance companies.
check this out and with the combo of this bill and the healthcare bill we lose our liberties. It isnt just about healthcare its about keeping our country a democracy and not socialist. I have read most of the HR bill and the wording disturbs me. this bill is not the best way to reform heathcare, andI do feel that it needs reforming. Here is a social and behavioral sciences research "modification" program at the Department of Energy, and for other purposes. I like the wording for other purposes, the gov doesnt feel that we can make the right choices are selves. THink of the huge door that is about to be thrown open for the gov to come into our lives even more if these two bills pass.111TH CONGRESS1ST SESSION H. R. 3247To establish a social and behavioral sciences research program at theDepartment of Energy, and for other purposes.IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVESJULY 17, 2009Mr. BAIRD introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committeeon Science and TechnologyA BILL To establish a social and behavioral sciences research programat the Department of Energy, and for other purposes.1 Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representa2tives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,3 SECTION 1. SOCIAL AND BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES RE4SEARCH PROGRAM.5 (a) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary shall establish a so6cial and behavioral sciences research program to identify7 and understand social and behavioral factors that influ8ence energy consumption and acceptance and adoption9 rates of new energy technologies, and to promote the utili10zation of the results of social and behavioral research to•HR 3247 IH1 improve the design, development, demonstration, and ap2plication of energy technologies.3 (b) DIRECTOR.—The Secretary shall appoint or des4ignate a Director of Social and Behavioral Research to5 carry out the program established under this section.6 (c) DUTIES OF THE DIRECTOR.—The Director7 shall—8 (1) develop a research plan in accordance with9 section 2;10 (2) implement the research program under this11 section;12 (3) work with the relevant Department of En13ergy program offices to integrate the results of social14 and behavioral research into their work;15 (4) develop tools, practices, and information to16 apply and integrate the results of social and behav17ioral research into programs that—18 (A) design, develop, and demonstrate tech19nologies that supply energy and improve energy20 efficiency; and21 (B) provide information on energy con22sumption to consumers; and23 (5) assist the Secretary in awarding research24 grants under section 3.•HR 3247 IH1 SEC. 2. RESEARCH PLAN.2 (a) IN GENERAL.—The Director, in consultation with3 the Advisory Committee established under section 4, shall4 develop a research plan and, not later than 9 months after5 the date of enactment of this Act, transmit such plan to6 the Congress. Prior to finalizing the research plan, the Di7rector shall publish a draft of the proposed research plan8 in the Federal Register with a public comment period of9 not less than 30 days.10 (b) CONTENTS OF RESEARCH PLAN.—The research11 plan shall—12 (1) set forth priorities and a schedule for car13rying out the research program under section 1 and14 the research grant program under section 3;15 (2) address social and behavioral factors that16 influence—17 (A) patterns of energy consumption by in18dividuals, households, and businesses; and19 (B) decisions to implement energy con20servation measures,21 including the factors that influence decisions to22 adopt energy efficient technologies and practices;23 (3) include a description of the mechanisms the24 Department will use to integrate the findings of so25cial and behavioral research into other relevant De26partment programs; and•HR 3247 IH1 (4) include responses to comments received dur2ing the public comment period.3 (c) REVIEW AND REVISION.—The Director shall re4view the research plan every 5 years and revise the plan5 as appropriate.6 SEC. 3. SOCIAL AND BEHAVIORAL RESEARCH GRANTS.7 (a) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary shall provide8 grants to support social and behavioral research consistent9 with the research plan developed under section 2.10 (b) AWARDS.—Grant awards under this section may11 be for a period up to 3 years. The Secretary shall award12 grants through a competitive, merit-based, peer-reviewed13 process.14 (c) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.—There15 are authorized to be appropriated to the Secretary to carry16 out this section $10,000,000 for each of fiscal years 201017 through 2015.18 SEC. 4. SOCIAL AND BEHAVIORAL RESEARCH ADVISORY19 COMMITTEE.20 (a) ESTABLISHMENT.—The Secretary shall establish21 an Advisory Committee composed of experts in relevant22 fields—23 (1) to advise the Secretary and the Director on24 priority areas for research;VerDate Nov 24 2008 23:21 Jul 17, 2009 Jkt 079200 PO 00000 Frm 00004 Fmt 6652 Sfmt 6201 E:\BILLS\H3247.IH H3247 mstockstill on DSKH9S0YB1PROD with BILLS5•HR 3247 IH1 (2) to assist the Director in the development of2 the research plan under section 2; and3 (3) to provide other assistance and advice as re4quested by the Secretary or the Director.5 (b) FEDERAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE ACT.—Section6 14 of the Federal Advisory Committee Act (5 U.S.C.7 App.) shall not apply to the Advisory Committee estab8lished under subsection (a) until 3 years after the date9 the Advisory Committee is established.
Most states have health insurance for children and it they don't then there is medicaid for them and I have cousins who have it now, Children are not left out in the cold to die in this country, they have medical treatment and opportunity.
The Op posts a poll ;then ask a different question its seem in his/her post. Obama's plan he proposed has come and gone.He never had a plan just some goals and the congress took over from there. A plan has to have how you pay for the cost which he only had some gaols of svaings. Payoing has always been the hard part and where all palns get stuck and change dramatically.Hois cutting medciare and medicaid payments to save for this healthcare has alot of opponents as does his taxing healthcare policies of others from key groups like unions.
Due to my opting out of Social Security decades ago, I can never get Medicare (or Social Security). I it does not concern me in the least.
Medicare is in such poor financial health, they continue to reduce the reimbursement amounts paid to providers like doctors. As a result, more and more doctors and other providers (testing laboratories etc) are refusing to accept Medicare assignments. This means there are fewer and fewer doctors for Seniors to select from. This then means there is going to be a REDUCTION in the quality of services provided to Seniors.
This is a sign of what is to come if a government program is initiated and mandated.
Go to www.nytimes.com; go to right side menu entitled "Most Popular" and choose number 1 "Paul Krugman: Health Care Realities"
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