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Old 07-24-2009, 01:16 PM
 
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The GOP plan is: Most Americans are satisfied with what they have(including the 47 milllion who do not have ANY coverage) therefore, there is nothing to fix. Rush said that our health care system is the best in the world and Rush is a smart man. END OF THE ARGUMENT

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man he's way off on that way off....
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Old 07-24-2009, 01:19 PM
 
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......And the reason they didn't put forth any of this during W's 8 years, is???

That is my problem with the Reps on this one. They offered NOTHING until it was clear that Barry was going to put it on the table. You cannot claim there is no problem and then a few years later claim that you have the solution to the problem that wasn't there in the first place....

Fair point.
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Old 07-24-2009, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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You are absolutely wrong that the problem isn't as bad as it seems. Take away all employer contributions then you'll see the problem immediately, not to mention all the manipulation the insurance and State laws have warped the system. And it's only going to get worse not better as it stands and that is a fact. I'm a conservative who strives to keep an opened mind. There is no doubt the republicans are and have been blowing this opportunity to articulate a plan that works in the framework of the free market that works for the American people, not just big business in which they've always been accused of doing. I live and contract work from the republican party in Washington.
What I'm hearing mostly from the republicans is preventive care. Don't smoke, jog, eat right, leaving the impression that most of the problem is we do not take care of ourselves. This might be true in some but not in others, however, it still does not address the main issue but instead leaves the impression that the government, with the blessing of the GOP, is going to enter our lives and regulate it to insure no one smokes, the body fat content is correct, no more mountain climbing etc., your sugar level is just fine. If not, then what, what are the repercussions? Is this what the GOP stands for?
Could it be many Americans simply are not under a doctor's care at all for a host of reasons? If so, what are those reasons?
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Well said, jmking. You "rant" much more eloquently than I.
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Old 07-24-2009, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Over There
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For the last 8 years the Fat Republican Party has benefited from them just sitting back and watching the Health Insurance Industry together with high health costs just rape the country for whatever it wanted. They are the ones who should be fixing Health Care they were too busy invading countries.......this is embarrassing how they get on TV and talk about how it's broken but this is not the way to fix it, should of thought about that for the last 8 years instead of letting this problem snowball on us, thanks again Republicans for your hard work in congress.

Oh yeah because all the Dem lawyers were to business suing for nonsense and driving up the cost of healthcare. What do you think the CEO of every major health insurance company is a republican?
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Old 07-24-2009, 01:48 PM
 
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From economist Keith Hennessey comes a really interesting breakdown of how many uninsured people there are in the United States, and how many of those people actually need/want insurance. Since the 46 million number appears prominently in the national health care debate, this information is very valuable.

First, nearly a quarter of the 46 million are already covered by Medicaid or SCHIP, and therefore should not be included. Another 20% are not citizens of the US, while a third are either significantly over the poverty level or are young, single, and childless. If you were to take out these groups from the number of uninsured, the new number becomes 10.6 million, or 2% of the population.

2% just doesn't generate much passion though.

So lets revamp the whole system for 2%. doesn't make sense to me.
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Old 07-24-2009, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Charleston Sc and Western NC
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From economist Keith Hennessey comes a really interesting breakdown of how many uninsured people there are in the United States, and how many of those people actually need/want insurance. Since the 46 million number appears prominently in the national health care debate, this information is very valuable.

First, nearly a quarter of the 46 million are already covered by Medicaid or SCHIP, and therefore should not be included. Another 20% are not citizens of the US, while a third are either significantly over the poverty level or are young, single, and childless. If you were to take out these groups from the number of uninsured, the new number becomes 10.6 million, or 2% of the population.

2% just doesn't generate much passion though.

So lets revamp the whole system for 2%. doesn't make sense to me.

Yes, but that's Common Sense. That doesn't fly inside the Beltway these days. Besides its come down to WINNING at all costs at this point.
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Old 07-24-2009, 02:31 PM
 
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Besides defending the status quo and sitting on the sidelines with their arms crossed, what do they actually propose to fix this broken system we have?
Since you asked . Cost, lower the cost! Competition, get employers out of the healthcare system, make people be accountable and responsible for thier own medical bills let the insurance companies wither and die on the vine, tha only thing the government should be doing is providing tax free medical savings accounts, then watch healthcare costs start to come down.
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Old 07-24-2009, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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I did miss this, my apologies, you aren't on 'ignore'.... The ignore list is for babies...

Anyway, so the Reps aren't going to put forward their great idea on healthcare now because they don't want to get in the way of the Dem plan and they probably wouldn't be listened to now anyway, got it....

......And the reason they didn't put forth any of this during W's 8 years, is???

That is my problem with the Reps on this one. They offered NOTHING until it was clear that Barry was going to put it on the table. You cannot claim there is no problem and then a few years later claim that you have the solution to the problem that wasn't there in the first place....
They offered nothing? Were you not paying attention in 2004, when President Bush and the republicans tried to work on the health care problem in the US? John Kerry & the democrats made sure it was characterized as more looking out for the rich. Granted, I don' think GWB & the republican congress pushed enough, or MADE SURE it got done, but please, let's not characterize it as having offered nothing.
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:45 AM
 
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Oh yeah because all the Dem lawyers were to business suing for nonsense and driving up the cost of healthcare. What do you think the CEO of every major health insurance company is a republican?
This is more stupidity gullible republican bs. Here's a clue 38 states have passed tort reform. This was passed in the late 80's and early 90's and in these states it lowered health insurance zero, nada.

Yet in every one of those states some dumbass claims this is why health care is to expensive.
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Old 07-26-2009, 10:55 AM
 
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They offered nothing? Were you not paying attention in 2004, when President Bush and the republicans tried to work on the health care problem in the US? John Kerry & the democrats made sure it was characterized as more looking out for the rich. Granted, I don' think GWB & the republican congress pushed enough, or MADE SURE it got done, but please, let's not characterize it as having offered nothing.
We were paying attention what they offered was nothing. Bush and the Republicans never fleshed out there plan all they offered was sound bites. No bill was ever written.
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