The birth-certificate controversy is about Obama’s honesty, not where he was born (revolution, millionaires)

[Sagran]

Originally Posted by LogicWings

Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, James F. Wilson of Iowa, added on March 1, 1866:


“We must depend on the general law relating to subjects and citizens recognized by all nations for a definition, and that must lead us to the conclusion that every person born in the United States is a natural born citizen of such States, except that it may be that children born on our soil to temporary sojourners or representatives of foreign Governments.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1117 (1866))

Some congressmen made speeches two centuries ago. So what?

[LogicWings]

Speaker of the House of Representatives, Langdon Cheves, in February of 1814:

The children have a natural attachment to the society in which they are born: being obliged to
acknowledge the protection it has granted to their fathers, they are obliged to it in a great measure for their birth and education. …

We have just observed that they have a right to enter into the society of which their fathers were members. But every man born free, the son of a citizen, arrived at years of discretion, may examine whether it be convenient for him to join in the society for which he was destined by his birth.

[LogicWings]

Originally Posted by Sagran

Some congressmen made speeches two centuries ago. So what?

You are saying the same as...The Constitution was written two centuries ago. So What.

[Sagran]

Originally Posted by LogicWings

You are saying the same as...The Constitution was written two centuries ago. So What.

The Constitution is the law of the land. Those congressmen are just guys making speeches.

I'm distressed that you don't understand the difference.

[Bluefly]

LogicWings -

Do you honestly not understand the difference between Constitutional law and some speeches? Congressmen say all sorts of stupid crap that means nothing. Think of all the bigoted speeches that have been made in Congress over blacks as slaves or fighting against civil rights or women's rights or workers rights. Congressmen can be really ignorant. Thankfully, the collective votes and usually comes to a more reasonable conclusion.

Anyway, by your logic, many of our presidents would have been disqualified for having parents born outside the United States. You would not be able to vote for Bobby Jindal.

It's all irrelevant to the issue. In the end, you somehow have to find a way to accept the fact that we have a legitimate black man in the White House.

I hate to pull the race card, but it's honestly the only logical conclusion one can draw about your continued obsession with trying to discredit Obama's citizenship after the surplus of evidence has been presented and proven by legal scholars across the political spectrum.

It's over.

[groar]

wow, in the 19th century some congressmen thought that women didn't matter?

what else is new?

women couldn't even vote at the time.

this might be a surprise to you, but even in 1961 women were considered equal under the law to men.

[LogicWings]

[LML]

Gee, pictures of a nice looking young man relaxing and smoking...shocking....who KNEW that he wasn't born as a middle aged man with short hair in a suit. Sure would like to see some of y'all's pictures from when you were in college. Bet they would sure tell a different story from the one you present today. I know for sure that mine would.

[Bluefly]

It is common in these discussions that, when the birthers have no argument left, they inevitably post a childish picture.

I, actually, don't know what negative connotation we're supposed to draw from those pics. Looks like he was having some fun as a teenager.

I believe the conclusion we are to draw from all of this is that the poorly named "LogicWings" has conceded defeat.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by LogicWings

Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, James F. Wilson of Iowa, added on March 1, 1866:


“We must depend on the general law relating to subjects and citizens recognized by all nations for a definition, and that must lead us to the conclusion that every person born in the United States is a natural born citizen of such States, except that it may be that children born on our soil to temporary sojourners or representatives of foreign Governments.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1117 (1866))

Hey Rip, wake up, wake up, wake up!