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Old 08-10-2009, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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So I assume you don't use Medicare.
No, I do not use medicare. I can never get medicare as I opted out of the system
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Old 09-12-2009, 06:21 PM
 
Location: pacific northwest
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If you think it's so great being a senior, then give it a shot! You will most certainly get your chance someday!

When I first started paying into S.S. my wages were not what they are today , so you are basically paying the same in comparison as I did so long ago.

This isn't just Obama's doing....it's what most people want except for the ignorant that do not understand what is at stake if we don't have universal health care.

Illegal aliens will not be covered, but they will get care if they have an emergency when their life is endangered. My BIL's son was in Ireland and was dumb enough to be caught out at night alone. He got beat up and robbed and was taken to the hospital where he was kept until he was well enough to be released in about a week. That is what we will have here for people from other countries and is the right thing to do.

By the way, my father-in-law did not use medicare. He was wealthy enough that he opted out also as did his brother. Nice if you can do it. I can't.
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Old 09-12-2009, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Maybe seniors are against it for a few good reasons.
How will we pay for it? Most folks with a little experience understand the folly of spending money you don't have.
How will it be paid for? No not if we cut down on fraud BS line either. How will we generate that kind of money?
Maybe they are against it because many seniors have tried the VA system.
I am no senior but as a vet I have tried it. I learn from my mistakes and won't repeat that one.
Maybe they are happy with the care they currently receive and don't want it to change?
Maybe after watching the bailout and how poorly managed that was that it reminded them of the many, many previous blunders authored by our elected reps.
I am just guessing but these are my primary concerns.
Corn Ethanol subsidies comes to mind. The dept of energy, our public school system, and the many pork projects. Yep kind of hard to trust what the gov says given their track record.
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Old 09-12-2009, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Let's see -- the "reformers" want to de-find medicare and provide federally-funded abortions, medical marijuana, and free healthcare for illegal aliens.

No way selfish seniors should oppose this, huh?

What YOU smokin, OP?
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Old 09-12-2009, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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My mother and step father are proud recepients of both Social Security and Medicare. If they were asked whether they were willing to stop receiving either one, they would give you a blank stare as if you had lost your mind. However, they are very against this President and all his "socialist" agendas! I live them both dearly -but they don't know their butts from a hole in the ground!
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Old 09-12-2009, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Pa
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My mother and step father are proud recepients of both Social Security and Medicare. If they were asked whether they were willing to stop receiving either one, they would give you a blank stare as if you had lost your mind. However, they are very against this President and all his "socialist" agendas! I live them both dearly -but they don't know their butts from a hole in the ground!
Old school wisdom isn't always right but it is often enough to consider what our elder citizens have to say. When a senior talks I generally listen, I may disagree but I listen none the less. They have lived more, experienced more and for sure seen more than I have to date. Spending money we don't have is foolish. Counting money we don't have is pure stupidity. This health care bill as outline by our President does both.
Who buys a big money item based on money that is a maybe at best?
Well the housing and banking industry should have taught us all a thing or two about that system.
Money saved by cutting down on fraud and abuse? If it were that easy why hasn't it been done?
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Old 09-12-2009, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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I'm sorry but big money government did not start with Barack Obama. Again I ask, where was all this "conservative" outrage and protest during the preceeding 8 years with a President who was spending us into oblivion with a war that was supposed to "pay for itself" and a drug prescription plan that was a gift to Big Pharm? Anyone? Anyone?

Why the silence during eight years of "W" running the deficit up before Obama was even a blip on the radar screen?

Anyone? Anyone? Where was the outrage THEN? Got a defense for that? Didn't think so.
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Old 09-12-2009, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Hangin' with the bears.
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Medicare recipients against 'socialized medicine'. The ultimate oxymoron!
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Old 09-12-2009, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I'm sorry but big money government did not start with Barack Obama. Again I ask, where was all this "conservative" outrage and protest during the preceeding 8 years with a President who was spending us into oblivion with a war that was supposed to "pay for itself" and a drug prescription plan that was a gift to Big Pharm? Anyone? Anyone?

Why the silence during eight years of "W" running the deficit up before Obama was even a blip on the radar screen?

Anyone? Anyone? Where was the outrage THEN? Got a defense for that? Didn't think so.
Many of us were against it. The problem isn't that it is okay for one party but not another. The problem is when one side justifies it because the other did it too.
How often we see the retort well what about Bush, or Clinton or whoever.
Well what about them? Do we need to repeat so that we are all even?
How about we stop review the mistakes others have made and do a better job?
Spending money we don't have is wrong. Every time it is done it is wrong.
Silence during GWB? Whoa seems to me there was a never ending barrage of critisisms. So what do we do now? Waste even more just to show it can be done? Spend more to make a point?
How about this.
We stop foreign aid. Its money borrowed anyway.
We stop the pork system just like Obama said he would. I am 100% with him on that.
We streamline the fed. Cut out the real waste.
NATO. Do we really need to foot that bill?
The UN?
We stop involving ourselves in everyone elses business. Take a page out of China's book. Do business and mind our own.
Here is another idea. review our trade agreements. If they are not in our favor or at least a level playing field cancel them.
Taxes. What about a fed sales tax on everything. Everyone pays their fair share including illegals.
Corporate taxes will be managed as they are at this time. At least for now.
Back on topic.
Health care. Yes the system needs fixed. Rushing to the fix will only require another fix. The bail out comes to mind.
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Old 09-12-2009, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Western North Carolina
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Good post with some good points.
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