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Old 08-20-2009, 02:01 PM
 
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for sake of argument, I'll give you that one. The other 2 don't apply.
so the only thing that qualifies someone as right wing is if they're proven to be a registered republican? i think a lot of right-wingers on this forum would be pretty insulted by that claim.

but ok, if you want to disavow white supremacists and pro-life murderers from the right, then i'm going to go ahead and say that eco-terrorists are not left wing. conservation. conservatism. they are almost the same word. prove that eco-terrorists are left wing. blah de blah de blah.

seriously, i can own the fact that there are some unsavory characters on my side of the fence. i guess you just can't fess up to yours.
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:08 PM
 
Location: NC
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Yeah...just look at how they love abortion. Look how upset they were when "Tiller the baby killer" was given justice.
If you actually believe that kind of renegade vigilantism is somehow a substitute for justice perhaps you should apply for a position with the Iranian Basij.
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:08 PM
 
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haha... who did the ecoterrorists kill? or even hurt?
ted kaczynski killed three and injured ten or more. remember him?
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:09 PM
 
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"National Socialist Democratic Party" (NAZI)
" Socialism and fascism are each forms of statism, forms of government in which the government is given complete or extensive control over the lives of its citizens." I don't think that exists on the right. The right is about small government isn't it? Letting the people run their own lives?
No, the Nazis hated leftists--that's why they imprisoned (and killed) communists and socialists in Germany. Its also part of the reason Hitler began an ultimately disastrous war with the Soviet Union in 1941--because he hated the Soviets and their communist ideology. During the Spanish Civil War as well, the German Fascists supported the right-wing Spanish Nationalists against the leftists.

If you don't believe totalitarian governments can be right wing, you might need to open up a political science textbook. And right wing policies do not necessarily mean small government. Look at President Bush's administration for example.
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:12 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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so the only thing that qualifies someone as right wing is if they're proven to be a registered republican? i think a lot of right-wingers on this forum would be pretty insulted by that claim.

but ok, if you want to disavow white supremacists and pro-life murderers from the right, then i'm going to go ahead and say that eco-terrorists are not left wing. conservation. conservatism. they are almost the same word. prove that eco-terrorists are left wing. blah de blah de blah.

seriously, i can own the fact that there are some unsavory characters on my side of the fence. i guess you just can't fess up to yours.
you are taking things way too far. You stated that all 3 of those people were right wingers and you have no proof that all 3 were. The only proof you have is that 1 was a republican. Yes, republicans are more on the right than the dems, so what was your point?
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:12 PM
 
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"National Socialist Democratic Party" (NAZI)
" Socialism and fascism are each forms of statism, forms of government in which the government is given complete or extensive control over the lives of its citizens." I don't think that exists on the right. The right is about small government isn't it? Letting the people run their own lives?
It does and they are called Monarchies.
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:13 PM
 
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ted kaczynski killed three and injured ten or more. remember him?
ah, finally a legitimate example! good job! i did forget about him! it's sort of hard to sort anarcho-primitivism squarely into left or right, but close enough.

so that's one. 14 years ago.

mr. gibbs, i'm sorry you are unable to understand that white supremacists and pro-lifers are on the right. i realize that no amount of evidence, logic or common sense will convince you of anything, so i'm not going to argue with you about this anymore.
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:14 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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No, the Nazis hated leftists--that's why they imprisoned (and killed) communists and socialists in Germany. Its also part of the reason Hitler began an ultimately disastrous war with the Soviet Union in 1941--because he hated the Soviets and their communist ideology. During the Spanish Civil War as well, the German Fascists supported the right-wing Spanish Nationalists against the leftists.

If you don't believe totalitarian governments can be right wing, you might need to open up a political science textbook. And right wing policies do not necessarily mean small government. Look at President Bush's administration for example.
You're wrong, they weren't fighting the USSR because they were communist, they were fighting for power and control. They both shared alot of the same ideologies, but their egos couldn't share after a while. They did have a plan to split Europe up and they both would take a piece, but that didn't work out due to ego's.
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:18 PM
 
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and hitler sent communists to concentration camps because....
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Earth. For now.
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"National Socialist Democratic Party" (NAZI)
" Socialism and fascism are each forms of statism, forms of government in which the government is given complete or extensive control over the lives of its citizens." I don't think that exists on the right. The right is about small government isn't it? Letting the people run their own lives?
I wish it were. I wish it were. If it was then I'd vote Republican. But the fact is that the government grew to record sizes over the last 30 years during the three administrations of Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. Government employment and budget actually shrank during Clinton's administration (as well as balancing its budget).

And as far as letting people run their own lives? Since when have Republican administrations done that? What about attempts to legislate morality such as trying to prevent gay marriage? What about trying to abolish legal abortions? What about attempting to introduce prayer in public schools?
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