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Old 08-20-2009, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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WACO occured under Clinton, I see it as a starting point
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:24 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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WACO occured under Clinton, I see it as a starting point
Starting point for what? The governement bulldozing homes and setting them on fire? I know those people were pretty weird, but did the government have to do what they did? Who was in charge of that again? Janet Napalitano?? Butchery at it's finest and know she's in charge of Homeland Security? We're in alot of trouble there!
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:33 PM
 
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Starting point for what? The governement bulldozing homes and setting them on fire? I know those people were pretty weird, but did the government have to do what they did? Who was in charge of that again? Janet Napalitano?? Butchery at it's finest and know she's in charge of Homeland Security? We're in alot of trouble there!
are you mixing up your janets?

janet reno was in charge of the waco debacle.
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:35 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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are you mixing up your janets?

janet reno was in charge of the waco debacle.
yes, thank you. I was mixing them up. I confused Reno with the old Arizona Gov. Sorry, thanks for pointing that out.
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Starting point for what? The governement bulldozing homes and setting them on fire? I know those people were pretty weird, but did the government have to do what they did? Who was in charge of that again? Janet Napalitano?? Butchery at it's finest and know she's in charge of Homeland Security? We're in alot of trouble there!

Practice, things are getting ugly fast.

Janet Reno not Janet Napolitano
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Thumb of Michigan
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I'm writing this as a Libertarian/Republican who has never voted for a Democrat except in one election when my sister worked for a campaign against the Governator.


Except you clearly have no understanding of history, read below for my proof:


A Southern Sympathizer who was opposed to abolition. Booth was hardly a liberal.
Funny stuff, exactly what i thinking after reading the original post, especially the Booth statement on being a liberal.

Context seems to be a missing ingredient here.
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:41 PM
 
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WACO occured under Clinton, I see it as a starting point
Surely you jest?

Any reasonable look at history would demonstrate America's long and tortuous history of political violence committed by both the right and the left starting in the late 18th century political violence against those who remained loyalist during the Revolution and going forward through to the political violence of Bloody Kansas, the American labor movement and the Civil Rights Era to the present day.

By the way, my non de plume, O.V. Catto was slain in Philadelphia in 1871 the victim of political violence.
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Old 08-20-2009, 02:43 PM
 
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You're wrong, they weren't fighting the USSR because they were communist, they were fighting for power and control. They both shared alot of the same ideologies, but their egos couldn't share after a while. They did have a plan to split Europe up and they both would take a piece, but that didn't work out due to ego's.
Hitler hated communists..He blamed Germany's defeat in World War I on the communists, he basically rose to power by blaming the Reichstag fire on communists, the first concentration camp at Dachau was built for socialists and communists, etc. Many supported Hitler in the 1930s--including some in the United States--because he was seen as being anti-communist. Fascism by defintion is a far-right ideology..
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Old 08-20-2009, 03:46 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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In this current war we were attacked, I was pointing out the hypocracy of the other poster

Please know your history


I understand that we were attacked in a round about way (the lusitania in 1916 in WW1) but in WW2, Germany did not attack us, Japan did. We rushed to the aid of oppressed peoples (western Europe) (sound familiar???) and then allied ourselves with a dictator just as bloodthirsty as Hitler (Stalin)

You make excuses for the Dems here but fail to see the real picture that both parties are equally responsible for violence
GERMANY AND JAPAN WERE ALLIES!!!!!!
Plus, the declaration of war was approved by all 88 senators and 393 members of congress who voted.

Hypocrisy is how you spell it by the way...

And I don't make excuses for the dems (remember my disclaimer, I don't vote for them, and am a Republican Navy veteran), I just stand up in the face of ignorance.

And IRAQ DID NOT ATTACK US, so that declaration of war is in no way simliar to WWII or WWI.
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