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That's what I don't get...those opposed to UHC will be able to CHOOSE to have More-and-More-Expensive-For-Profit-Not-Health Care insurance if that's what they're "smart" enough to want.....why are they against others choosing something else?
Here's another question that the repugs never answer but I have fun asking it:
So many of you who like the health care syatem we have now do admit that it does need does need fixing....WHO or WHAT will do that?
>>>> Anybody but the government. They can't do anything without massive cost over runs, inefficiency, poor service and in many cases out and out corruption. It looks like the "repugs" and the Obamatons are on the same page at least, nobody knows who can fix the system. Maybe nobody can. And THAT might be the place to start looking. If it can't be fixed, shut it down.
Government run programs are "not for profit"..A surplus isn't required unlike the private industry where "surplus" is the purpose not service.
Sometimes I feel as though there are lunatics on this board. Social Security is a fund that we were supposed to contribute to and put away in a box, so that we could collect when we hit a certain age. Now, the government has not given what they promised. Social Security is one big PONZI SCHEME!!! There is NO money in the system. The continue to take more and more money from less and less workers to pay everyone off who contributed all those years. I'm 44 and I can assure you that I DO NOT believe that Social Security will be there for me. Either that or they will form a new tier that changes all the rules and makes it that you can't collect until you hit 85!!! Medicare and Medicaid is also a joke. Estimates are that both programs will be bankrupt within 6 years unless drastic changes are made (ie: higher taxes for the working man and woman). Section 8 housing...there is a GREAT government program. Subsidized housing for poorer people...a noble idea...one that I support wholeheartedly....what has it become....shythole developments with grafitti, urine, rampant drug dealing, crime, gangs, shootings.....The government can not do ANYTHING correctly. If the Democrats force this debacle through I can assure you when it fails, and fail it will, they will be made to pay for MANY years to come by an American public that will not forget.........
>>>> Anybody but the government. They can't do anything without massive cost over runs, inefficiency, poor service and in many cases out and out corruption. It looks like the "repugs" and the Obamatons are on the same page at least, nobody knows who can fix the system. Maybe nobody can. And THAT might be the place to start looking. If it can't be fixed, shut it down.
And there's another non-answer.
"Anybody but the government"
WHO ? What entity can control For-Profit health insurance companies??
""""It looks like the "repugs" and the Obamatons are on the same page at least, nobody knows who can fix the system. """
Obama and the repugs are NOT on the same page, Obamam wants to use the ONLY way to help Americans escape from the total domination of Insurance companies in their lives.
"""Maybe nobody can.""
So nobody should try? Wouldn't the insurance executives and Obama haters love THAT!
""" And THAT might be the place to start looking. If it can't be fixed, shut it down"""
WHO ? What entity can control For-Profit health insurance companies??
""""It looks like the "repugs" and the Obamatons are on the same page at least, nobody knows who can fix the system. """
Obama and the repugs are NOT on the same page, Obamam wants to use the ONLY way to help Americans escape from the total domination of Insurance companies in their lives.
"""Maybe nobody can.""
So nobody should try? Wouldn't the insurance executives and Obama haters love THAT!
""" And THAT might be the place to start looking. If it can't be fixed, shut it down"""
Your assertion doesn't hold water because medicaire/medicaide and the VA operate effeciently(more effeciently than the private industry as easily depicted by the video). A government option wont take anything away from people who dont want it.
Medicare is very inefficient the government acknowledged this by using savings from Medicare fraud and abuse to subsidize UHC. If government programs are so efficient why are health care costs for those programs still very high? Take a look at Indian health care if you want a sense of what we are headed for.
Sometimes I feel as though there are lunatics on this board. Social Security is a fund that we were supposed to contribute to and put away in a box, so that we could collect when we hit a certain age. Now, the government has not given what they promised. Social Security is one big PONZI SCHEME!!! There is NO money in the system. The continue to take more and more money from less and less workers to pay everyone off who contributed all those years. I'm 44 and I can assure you that I DO NOT believe that Social Security will be there for me. Either that or they will form a new tier that changes all the rules and makes it that you can't collect until you hit 85!!! Medicare and Medicaid is also a joke. Estimates are that both programs will be bankrupt within 6 years unless drastic changes are made (ie: higher taxes for the working man and woman). Section 8 housing...there is a GREAT government program. Subsidized housing for poorer people...a noble idea...one that I support wholeheartedly....what has it become....shythole developments with grafitti, urine, rampant drug dealing, crime, gangs, shootings.....The government can not do ANYTHING correctly. If the Democrats force this debacle through I can assure you when it fails, and fail it will, they will be made to pay for MANY years to come by an American public that will not forget.........
Bernie Madoff was a Ponzi Scheme and just because you believe something doesn't make it so. You listed a 6 year projection? Where did you get that from? The government runs the military and many NOT FOR PROFIT agencies very well. Your obvious paranoia has blinded you to the fact that private industry doesn't give a rats @ss about you or service period. They are about making money above all else..Paranoid people like yourself act as if "the government" is some other wordly alien entity. We the people are the government. We must demand that the people we elect operate effective programs. That's what our democracy is about. That's what we collectively control. We don't control Blue Cross, Aetna etc which is why they'll continue to fukc us until WE utilize OUR government to keep them honest.
Medicare is very inefficient the government acknowledged this by using savings from Medicare fraud and abuse to subsidize UHC. If government programs are so efficient why are health care costs for those programs still very high? Take a look at Indian health care if you want a sense of what we are headed for.
Medicare is not as effecient as it could be but it is still far superior in effeciency to private industry simply because there are no bonuses or profit margin. WE CONTROL Medicare and can make it more effecient. We're just pimped hoars to the private healthcare industry.
Medicare is not as effecient as it could be but it is still far superior in effeciency to private industry simply because there are no bonuses or profit margin. WE CONTROL Medicare and can make it more effecient. We're just pimped hoars to the private healthcare industry.
Profit doesn't make something inefficient. I would argue it makes things more efficient. What is the incentive for government workers to control costs?
Of course we do not control the costs through Medicare. Medicare is insurance it pays providers. Although it sets rates it doesn't control usage. If you don't control usage you don't control costs. Plus all the fraud and abuse.
I love the numerous assumptions embedded throughout this video. It is as if the world did not exist before the New Deal!!
The top tax bracket in both Hong Kong and Singapore is 17-19%. There is no income tax in Dubai. These locations are bleeding off business activity from the US precisely because people take for are brainwashed into believing that government must be there.
Instead, the more sensible approach is to think healthy markets first and only then an assist from government. And for the truly naive, "healthy markets" is not the same as corporatized American big-business style capitalism," where the functioning of the markets is corrupted by big players and government insiders (geez, sounds like Geithner, Paulson and Goldman Sachs!).
How about returning health care to a healthy market, where insurers, big pharma, and HMOs have tinier roles; where simple and preventive health care is the the dominant form of health care; where there is a continuum of health care expertise and licensing; where trial lawyers no longer have to play such a huge role; and where elective surgeries are paid for through discretionary funds rather than by taxpayers; finally where the career paths of doctors is neither embittering, overwhelmingly burdensome, nor enrichened by their cozy relationship with all the various stakeholders that suck the blood and $ out of taxpayers. Any such system would be a return to healthy markets, not the status quo macabre nor socialist utopia of this video.
For an peace time economy, we have arguably the largest tax burden in the history of the United states (Fed, State, Local, and other user-mandated payments). And it is only getting worse. Guys on the dude on this video, talk as if government is a separate, do-gooder entity, just waiting to provide free health and excellent health care. Such utopian fantasies do grievous harm as it convinces the masses that Oz is real and accessible.
Wake up America! Both sides of the aisle are going to leave you poorer and poorly serviced!!
Profit doesn't make something inefficient. I would argue it makes things more efficient. What is the incentive for government workers to control costs?
Of course we do not control the costs through Medicare. Medicare is insurance it pays providers. Although it sets rates it doesn't control usage. If you don't control usage you don't control costs. Plus all the fraud and abuse.
Fraud and abuse in the private sector is not controlled because it's called bonuses. Votes are the incentive for government workers to control costs..WE control the government through votes. Again, we have no say in the private industry. We're just their little *****es hoping they wont drop us when the shyt hits the fan with no alternative. It's crazy that people accept having NO alternative. WE are the government, WE are pawns to private healthcare.
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