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Old 09-17-2009, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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"..The only reason we have racially mixed schools is so that Jews and sick-minded, middle-aged White liberals can get a warm and fuzzy feeling when they see White and Black kids shoved into the same classroom.."

"..How often do White parents load their children up onto school buses full of little black thugs.."

Yeah...ok, we get your drift!!
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Old 09-17-2009, 11:02 AM
 
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It doesn't mean it isn't a hate crime, it just means there is no evidence it is a hate crime. Just like any other crime, if there is no evidence, then legally it isn't a case.



Why would it be, if the motive is to steal from anyone with money.

Basically a hate crime is one where the only required motive is hate of people that are different (skin color, sexual orientation, etc...). That makes them unpredictable and random, since no provocation is necessary (as opposed to say someone flashing lots of money, which would make them a target of thieves wanting money).
But the selection of the target is based on skin color. How is that not a race crime? Attack is based on skin color with the added bonus of potentially more money.
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Old 09-17-2009, 01:47 PM
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But the selection of the target is based on skin color. How is that not a race crime? Attack is based on skin color with the added bonus of potentially more money.
How do you know the selection of the target is based on skin color? That's the point, unless you have evidence, you cannot confirm this. If someone yells racial statements, that is evidence.
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Old 09-17-2009, 01:51 PM
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Hating someone makes them unpredictable? That's BS. I hate dumb people, I hate rude people, I hate bums, I hate people who smell bad, I hate lots of people! That doesn't mean I'm going to go around committing crimes or doing unpredictable things. I know there are consequences, that makes my behavior predictable. People need to be punished for their actions, not their thoughts.
Why is it BS? The difference is dumb people, rude people, bums, etc.. are things people choose to be, people don't choose their race. It means there is not apparent and observable motive, there is no logical reason for something to happen, but it happens anyway. If I'm walking down the street minding my business and someone just attacks me from behind, but then yells racial slurs, that is clearly an unpredictable event.
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Old 09-17-2009, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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I don't think it's a hate crime. How can we tell he wasn't just crazy as hell? If he would have attacked a fat white woman and called her a whale would it be a hate crime cause he targeted a fat person?
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Old 09-17-2009, 04:12 PM
 
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Why is it BS? The difference is dumb people, rude people, bums, etc.. are things people choose to be, people don't choose their race. It means there is not apparent and observable motive, there is no logical reason for something to happen, but it happens anyway. If I'm walking down the street minding my business and someone just attacks me from behind, but then yells racial slurs, that is clearly an unpredictable event.
It is no more unpredictable than the attack on the bum, rude person, dumb person, etc. No, you can't control your race, but can dumb people control that they are dumb? Do rude people even know they are being rude?

Punishments for crimes make peoples behavior predictable. Just as there are people who hate a particular race, there are people who hate pretty much every group or label you can apply to people. Just because they don't like or even hate someone does not mean they are unpredictable. The fact that they will be punished if they commit a crime deters them. If not, then why did this guy just now commit this crime? Is this the first black person he has ever come across? Surely he has had opportunities to attack black people in the past if that is his motivation.

Crime should be equally punished. Thoughts and beliefs, as ridiculous as some of them are, must be protected to preserve our liberty.
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Old 09-17-2009, 06:38 PM
 
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How do you know the selection of the target is based on skin color? That's the point, unless you have evidence, you cannot confirm this. If someone yells racial statements, that is evidence.
That was the whole point of my post. That for it to be a hate crime I would have to vocalize my intent or utter a racial slur. But if I hate just as much and keep my mouth shut it's not a hate crime? I was pointing out the flaws in the law thats all.
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Old 09-17-2009, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Over There
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Everybody needs to call your elected reps and DEMAND Federal Hate Crime charges against this racist conservative! The fact is (and I DO live in Georgia- this man will not spend a DAY in jail unless Federal charges are bought. In fact most of the locals down there probably approve of what he did which is why they did not interfere as she was stomped, kicked, called "dirty n***r" in front of her kid. Call the FBI too and DEMAND civil rights charges!!!

Police: Man Beat Woman At Cracker Barrel - News Story - WSB Atlanta


May I ask how you know this was a CONSERVATIVE or you just ASSume they are because only conservatives can be raciest right?


Now to the REAL issue. If this man did this then yes he should be charged and if convicted prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Poor woman she was just defending her child.
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Old 09-17-2009, 07:10 PM
 
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Hey are you going to be calling demanding hate crimes be charged against the black that just beat the white kid on the bus? We know all the other black kids on that bus was cheering. I guess they approved.


I doubt it. Most every crime has hate behind it.

I tried to give you reputation, but everytime I try to give one to a reply I agee with it says i must spread them around before i can give you one . Maybe its broke or do we really have to give to those we don't agree with ? I don't understand .
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Old 09-17-2009, 07:19 PM
 
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I don't care what the circumstances where, racial slurs or not, any man that beats a woman in front of their child deserves the worst. What I hate is the hate crimes laws which puts some above others. We are all entitled to EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW.
Not anymore . The socialist have taken over and they will put us all in a 3nd world nation . I mean the Reagns on up to Obama.
if she spit in his face he should have called the police so she could tell them he called her a name . Either way he shouldn't have hit her .

Soon the whole nation will in a civil war if we don't take back our nation from the race hustlers and those who get rich off the suffering of minority's.
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