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Old 04-05-2012, 06:02 AM
 
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If you're burdened by excessive taxes, you have options.

Move to an isolated rural area with no paved roads, no water/sewer systems, no fire or police protection, no trash disposal and small distant schools.

You'll like the taxes there.
You're like me. I also prefer to overpay and be underserved for all those services
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:06 AM
 
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In other words "I dont mind being a slave so long as master provides for me"
I can list many freedoms Scandinavians enjoy that Americans don't, or have great dificulty achieving. I find it more mystifying what fredoms Americans have that the Scandinavians don't?
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:11 AM
 
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i know. i wish our health insurance wasn't tied to our employer, many people would rather just work a couple of part time jobs, but you can't DO that here because you have to work FULL TIME in ONE PLACE to get health insurance. it would free up the workforce and safe employers lots of money, but for the life of me i can't see why republicans don't want this.

Its' like they are that irritating person that's just here to make life difficult
I'm not from the US, so I agree with you. Healthcare shouldn't be tied to employment. From an economic perspective, it has to hurt employers too, although many have cut back by either passing more cost on to employees or opting for lesser policies with higher deductibles.

I don't see the US ever having fully universal healthcare unless the current system crashes. There's too much mistrust of government and widespread desire for social Darwinism or personal responsibility (as if being poor and sick isn't bad enough) for it to ever be achieved.
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:14 AM
 
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I can list many freedoms Scandinavians enjoy that Americans don't, or have great dificulty achieving. I find it more mystifying what fredoms Americans have that the Scandinavians don't?
Why don't you?
I suppose you don't believe taxes are an infringement on freedom do you?
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:16 AM
 
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I can list many freedoms Scandinavians enjoy that Americans don't, or have great dificulty achieving. I find it more mystifying what fredoms Americans have that the Scandinavians don't?
They have many freedoms that Americans don't; namely freedom to live in dignity, no matter whether you stack shelves for a living or are a lawyer (note: I am not advocating a lawyer earns the same as a supermarket worker). You are far more "free" to spend more time with your family and friends, which to me is far more important than being "free" to carry a loaded weapon around or go around inciting hatred, like the Westboro Baptist Church do. Since higher education is so cheap or even free, you are free to change paths later in life without having to worry about incurring hefty student loans or losing health insurance coverage.

It all depends on what freedoms are important to you.
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:17 AM
 
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the message from the right is MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY.. and if you ask about something else they say.. CAR EXPENSIVE HOUSE MONEY MONEY MONEY.... that's all that exists to these people, they won't admit it but it is the MEANING OF LIFE both SPIRITUALLY and in EVERY OTHER WAY.

that's why a WHOLE SOCIETY of people living a GOOD MEANINGFUL BALANCED LESS VIOLENT HAPPIER LIFE... doesn't appeal to them.

it's about TEN FOR ME NONE FOR YOU... MONEY, me want MONEY, me WANT me WANT.
If they don't admit it, then how do you know it's true? And how do you explain the fact that conservatives donate more money than liberals?

It's nice that in between your threads demanding the right stay out of your life regarding gay marriage, you post messages like this where you tell the right what they think and how horrible it is. You're doing a great job setting an example of the open mindedness you want us conservatives to demonstrate towards you.

The strawmen get tiresome. It's especially tiresome from a group who style themselves the open-minded intellectuals.
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:17 AM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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You're like me. I also prefer to overpay and be underserved for all those services


Unlike you, I understand that as a member of society, I and everyone else benefit from those services and don't consider the taxes I pay for them to be an imposition.

But I seriously do feel cheated by the trillion dollars flushed down the toilet in Iraq. For some odd reason, the loudest tax whiners seldom mention that little folly, but they hate firefighters, teachers, postal workers, and librarians. All those who add to our quality of life.

Weird.
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:21 AM
 
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Unlike you, I understand that as a member of society, I and everyone else benefit from those services and don't consider the taxes I pay for them to be an imposition.

But I seriously do feel cheated by the trillion dollars flushed down the toilet in Iraq.
You mean you dont mind making me pay for your stuff and claiming thats the price that must be paid in order to live on your plantation?
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:26 AM
 
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Why don't you?
I suppose you don't believe taxes are an infringement on freedom do you?
Hah! Hell, no! Taxes are the membership fee for the civilization club. Every nation comes with its own particular set of benefits from that fee, and those who don't like theirs are free to apply for another.

The people who don't want any taxes at all are also free to live in the wilderness somewhere.
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Old 04-05-2012, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Why don't you?
I suppose you don't believe taxes are an infringement on freedom do you?
We pay taxes in US, so we can't claim freedom from taxation.
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