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Originally Posted by delusianne
Am I on ignore or something? I posted to you the practical realities of legal prostitution.
"When this nation was a "Christian" nation if you will Prostitution was legal or tolerated. Only when the moral police and the nanny staters got in charge was it outlawed."
[quote=Chatteress;11426031]It isn't sex but a business transaction that cheapens the woman to nothing more than a sexual toy to be cast aside. At least in marriage, sex is about mutual pleasure and not about getting your jollies at the expense of another human being.
I know a lot of people that believe their marriage is not mutually pleasurable. Why do you just assume that we are only talking about women. I am sure there are a lot of men who would voluntarily be 'objectified' for the right amount of money.
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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If abortion has increased since the days when it was illegal, and Im not sure how that could be quantified, deaths of women and girls have decreased proportionately too. If prostitution increases because it's legal, that's at least their decision, and they can start or STOP at their own pace.
I asked earlier if you wanted prostitution to stay the way it is now, but I think I know the answer. I think for a lot of right wingers those girls and boys and men and women who become prostitutes on the street are an acceptable attrition, because they're poor and dirty and let themselves become familiar with nasty things like pimps and drugs.
Please don't miscategorize me as I'm far from the typical "right-winger". Instead of legalizing prostitution, we as a society should be doing more to get these women the help that they need. As a Christian, Jesus called us to love one another not to condemn them.
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Originally Posted by delusianne
If abortion has increased since the days when it was illegal, and Im not sure how that could be quantified, deaths of women and girls have decreased proportionately too. If prostitution increases because it's legal, that's at least their decision, and they can start or STOP at their own pace.
I asked earlier if you wanted prostitution to stay the way it is now, but I think I know the answer. I think for a lot of right wingers those girls and boys and men and women who become prostitutes on the street are an acceptable attrition, because they're poor and dirty and let themselves become familiar with nasty things like pimps and drugs.
By the way, it isn't just the "right-wingers" that object to the legalization of prostitution. Katiana, who has been outspoken on this thread is far from a right-winger.
Last edited by CaseyB; 10-31-2009 at 04:35 PM..
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Chatteress- I have known quite a few 'high class' escorts in my time so I think I'll have to address some of your misconceptions. Most of the escorts I have known are transsexual/gay/bi male escorts, but I have known a couple of female ones too. As far as female escorts are concerned their main motivation is money. Most are far more highly sexed and are emotionaly stronger than average women. Entering into the profession for females is mainly a CHOICE (i'm talking about the escort end of the business mind you, not street walkers). How many other professions can pay you £250,000+ without years of hard work? Many of these girls have professional qualifications but choose to escort instead.
Male escorts usually earn around half of what female escorts do but the rest of what i've said still applies- its easy money for a gay man who'd be sleeping around anyway. Not to imply all gay men do.
Transsexual escorts are slightly different as they mainly do it to pay for transition, then get hooked on the easy money and find it difficult to leave. Also its very difficult for a transsexual to fit in as a normal member of society and prostitution is one of the few avenues open to them. Most men into transsexuals/ladyboys simply want them for sex, so the attitude of most ts women is that if they're going to be used for casual sex then at least they can get paid for it. I know of a few girls with normal day jobs (one a GP/family doctor) who escort at night because of this attitude from men.
As legalised prostitution would resemble the modern escort business this is where comparisons should be made. Prostitution should be legal so at least they pay tax, in my opinion. I've also never paid for sex, though while chronically sick for 10 years I had thought of it.
edit: I'd add most female/ts escorts do it to 'make a million' and then retire. You'd also be suprised how many business men are married to former working girls.
Last edited by archineer; 10-31-2009 at 02:06 PM..
Please don't miscategorize me as I'm far from the typical "right-winger". Instead of legalizing prostitution, we as a society should be doing more to get these women the help that they need. As a Christian, Jesus called us to love one another not to condemn them.
All well and good to keep moralizing and saying what *should* be, but just those who want to get off drugs/rejoin society need to actually get off drugs, physically remove or be removed from their current environment, and be supported until they're self-sufficient with a steady legit means of income. All the while they need professional psychological treatment that would extend x-years into the future and may never break whatever their sad problem is (plus now they'd have the nightmares of their former lives scarring them up). Meanwhile there are more starting every day.
If it were legal, the only problem for the huge majority would be psychological, and they'd be able to get it if and when they wanted it. To me that's a good way for society to help. The remnant left working in the street, owned by the last of the pimps... Christians and society would have a lot more resources to help them.
By the way, it isn't just the "right-wingers" that object to the legalization of prostitution. Katiana, who has been outspoken on this thread is far from a right-winger. Please take your partisan crap and stuff it!
Lol, "partisan" = people who dont agree with you. Typical.
This isnt a left or right discussion as you -- partisanly -- would make it, but marginalizing the poor and dirty *is* a characteristic of the right wing.
By the way, it isn't just the "right-wingers" that object to the legalization of prostitution. Katiana, who has been outspoken on this thread is far from a right-winger. Please take your partisan crap and stuff it!
This is true. Politics makes strange bedfellows, as they say (not trying to be kinky here, BTW).
I do not think the legalization of prostitution will make all the ills of it go away. I realize that there is no way to verify that statement. I do not know what the prostitution situation is in Nevada, H***, I don't know what it is in Denver! Legalizing something, anything, just makes it easier to do.
I struggle with this. I understand the idea about a business transaction between a man and a woman. But I just don't think legalizing is the answer.
I struggle with this. I understand the idea about a business transaction between a man and a woman. But I just don't think legalizing is the answer.
For the people that believe it should remain illegal.
What punishment should prostitution crimes have?
-should they be thrown in a cage? fined? what????
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