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The whole brush stroke is nothing more than the other one I saw... about Christians hating...
Does it need address? really? There is nothing in the statements that back up a liberal hating any more than any other leaning. It is nothing but your projection to cater to your sense of the world... which one would wonder why you perceive a liberal hating vs something else. Seems if I were going to believe a political lean as haters I would pick the Communists, seems more believable without supporting evidence, but I did experience the cold war too.
So I guess this is nothing more than name calling with nothing to support it. There did I identify the problem with the thread witout calling the OP something unpleasant so he can say Im supporting his point? ... of course I didn't identify being liberal or not, just that I don't care for generalizations without support.
Yes I know you repeat yourself and show nothing to back it up.
Here is a link to support my "idea" of low support for the war
War Times (http://www.war-times.org/issues/15art1.html - broken link)
No political bias there! Instead of reading politically inspired crap of either side how about listening to those actually serving? A mix of sites here but IMO a much better source than politically biased media. MilBlogs
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Originally Posted by organick
Also the current suicide rate in the military is a little over 20 in 100,000 while the national average is 11 per 100,000 according to the CDC..... so there goes that argument.
OH? You provided something to disprove my assertion? I don't think so! Perhaps you missed the part that said "same age/education/social group demographic"?
Let me elaborate:
Suicide in the United States
"Among young people 20 to 24 years of age the suicide rate was 12.8/100,000, or 2,373 deaths among 18,484,615 people in this age group." " The gender ratio for this age group was 7:1 (males: females)." You do the math (you can, can't you?); the rate for males 20-24 is ?? (Hint it's just a bit higher than the 11% you cited). Since the military is ~9-1 m:f the change is even more dramatic. Hmm, seems that based on the numbers military service decreases suicide in the age group
Even without calculating the m/f ratio the Air Force and Navy are below the civilian population: Suicide rates remain high - Air Force News, news from Iraq - Air Force Times
"The Air Force lost 38 airmen to suicide in 2008, a rate of 11.5 suicides per 100,000 airmen."
"The Navy reported 41 suicides in 2008, a rate of 11.6 per 100,000"
The Marine Corps is not "little over 20 in 100,000":
"Marine Corps lost 41 Marines last year to confirmed or suspected suicides — up from 25 two years earlier — a rate of 19 per 100,000"
Aha, but the Army is! One correct out of four but you did try hard.
"In 2008, the Army reported 140 confirmed or suspected suicides. That’s 20.2 suicides per 100,000 troops"
Since the m/f ratio in the Army and Marine Corps ground forces is even higher what do you think this might do to the numbers? So your "so there goes that argument" statement is fallacious- no?
I am simply pointing out that the information that you base your opinions on is extremely biased. How does it go- garbage in garbage out?
My opinions are formed by researching facts as well as serving, playing, laughing and crying with members of the military. Provides a totally different perspective. As a group these folks are some of the smartest, most dedicated, and patriotic people I've ever met. Not at all as you try to portray them.
Good finish to my point: "The one in Darfur"...=dead or slaves.
As a sort of Libertarian, in that i believe in most that Libertarians believein, I believe the only money that government should be collecting and spending is for defense and protection, i.e. the military and the police. All else is optional. In the perfect world, I would not hav eto fix your roads and you would not have to fix mine. I would not have to educate your kids and you would not have to educate mine, etc. ad infinitum. It is not a perfect world and never will be. If I were looking for a utpia though, my concept of perfect world would be mor perfect than yours.
Your comment makes little sense since the concept of being in Iraq to "free" people would 150% justify us being in darfur. Either way though I a glad your idea of a perfect world does not involve educating all children
This is another lie and I would ask you to default to my original quote. Give me the direct quote when and where it was stated as you or ole geezer stated. Liar...liar...pants on fire! Thought that would be better understood
Perhaps you shall some day grow up but i doubt it...Here is the link.
I lived in the south east and out south west for many years, and I never saw such dark and bitter racism as I did coming from the people in the North Eastern US. Those folks think that as racist as they are, the south must be even worse, but in fact the opposite is true.
Funny....I have worked all over this country and with all sorts of people but never once heard anyone called an uncle tom. This is the lamest excuse I have heard to justify racism
The whole brush stroke is nothing more than the other one I saw... about Christians hating...
Does it need address? really? There is nothing in the statements that back up a liberal hating any more than any other leaning. It is nothing but your projection to cater to your sense of the world... which one would wonder why you perceive a liberal hating vs something else. Seems if I were going to believe a political lean as haters I would pick the Communists, seems more believable without supporting evidence, but I did experience the cold war too.
So I guess this is nothing more than name calling with nothing to support it. There did I identify the problem with the thread witout calling the OP something unpleasant so he can say Im supporting his point? ... of course I didn't identify being liberal or not, just that I don't care for generalizations without support.
there is lots of support in the other thread just none here
No political bias there! Instead of reading politically inspired crap of either side how about listening to those actually serving? A mix of sites here but IMO a much better source than politically biased media. MilBlogs
OH? You provided something to disprove my assertion? I don't think so! Perhaps you missed the part that said "same age/education/social group demographic"?
Let me elaborate:
Suicide in the United States
"Among young people 20 to 24 years of age the suicide rate was 12.8/100,000, or 2,373 deaths among 18,484,615 people in this age group." " The gender ratio for this age group was 7:1 (males: females)." You do the math (you can, can't you?); the rate for males 20-24 is ?? (Hint it's just a bit higher than the 11% you cited). Since the military is ~9-1 m:f the change is even more dramatic. Hmm, seems that based on the numbers military service decreases suicide in the age group
Even without calculating the m/f ratio the Air Force and Navy are below the civilian population: Suicide rates remain high - Air Force News, news from Iraq - Air Force Times
"The Air Force lost 38 airmen to suicide in 2008, a rate of 11.5 suicides per 100,000 airmen."
"The Navy reported 41 suicides in 2008, a rate of 11.6 per 100,000"
The Marine Corps is not "little over 20 in 100,000":
"Marine Corps lost 41 Marines last year to confirmed or suspected suicides — up from 25 two years earlier — a rate of 19 per 100,000"
Aha, but the Army is! One correct out of four but you did try hard.
"In 2008, the Army reported 140 confirmed or suspected suicides. That’s 20.2 suicides per 100,000 troops"
Since the m/f ratio in the Army and Marine Corps ground forces is even higher what do you think this might do to the numbers? So your "so there goes that argument" statement is fallacious- no?
I am simply pointing out that the information that you base your opinions on is extremely biased. How does it go- garbage in garbage out?
My opinions are formed by researching facts as well as serving, playing, laughing and crying with members of the military. Provides a totally different perspective. As a group these folks are some of the smartest, most dedicated, and patriotic people I've ever met. Not at all as you try to portray them.
Never said they were not smart....said they did not support our action. get it clear. Plus being bthe smartest you know says little since you deny stats published by the group you are supporting
Why do so called "tolerant" liberals hate so many different people?
They hate people who work
They hate people who are religious
They hate minorites (except criminal minorities)
They hate people from the South and Midwest
They hate traditional families
They hate white people
They hate everyone with an inkling of a differing opinion on any issue
They hate babies (pro abortion)
So what are the reasons for such hatred by this group that identifies itself as caring about others and love and peace?
Pro abortion, hmm yes! I say mandatory abortions for everyone!
Hate minorities? Now I don't think either side hates minorities, but it's common fact that Democrats do better with minorities.
I hate myself then? Hmmm, tough.
Sounds like the only hate here is coming from you.
If it is BBC I am not even going to read it friend. I am fully grown and just trying to give you a hint thaty maybe you need to grow up a little yourself. You need to get with a for real news agency.
Your comment makes little sense since the concept of being in Iraq to "free" people would 150% justify us being in darfur. Either way though I a glad your idea of a perfect world does not involve educating all children
Why do liberals always see what is not there. I never said anything about the real reason for us being in Iraq to free anyone. I simply said it was not about oil. It was about putting boots on the ground in the heart of the nest. Nothing more nothing less than a strategic first class play on the part of the Conservatives and it worked.
I don"t understand why folks don't see things as they are instead of what they want to believe they are. There is nothing in Darfur we need to be concerned about unless they get togeather and target us. Please don't come back with Iraq not attacking us. We drew the terrorists out as planned, it went as planned and a free Iraq is just a benificial coincidence of that effort.
We do not need the government to educate our children. It is precisely that tact that is destroying our educationsal system. We need private schools privately paid by the parents that have the children. I don't owe your child an education. This is just another liberal notion fed to you by the liberal elite and made your fantacy. You are allowed to think for yourself. They cannot control your mind. Repeat after me...You are allowed to think for yourself. They cannot control your mind. Again....
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higher than the 11% you cited). Since the military is ~9-1 m:f the change is even more dramatic. Hmm, seems that based on the numbers military service decreases suicide in the age group
