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I consider myself a slave to the system whenever I have to pay more for a product than it cost to manufacture, transport and sell. I am a slave to profit driven crony capitalism with fixed markets and over priced products. I believe "natural" monopolies and natural resources should belong to the community and be owned by the community. The "marketers" should never be allowed to control the availability and price of a natural resource for the profit of relatively few owners.
Socialism is not evil; it is the salvation of mankind.
Capitalism is no longer a part of our economy except at the very lowest levels. The rest are state protected monopolies of one sort or another. We actually have a nasty form of state supported socialism to the rich monopolistic energy companies, usurious financiers and the warmongers that dominate our economy.
...I am a slave to profit driven crony capitalism with fixed markets and over priced products...
Do you actually believe that bureaucrats in charge of government run industries do not profit? If you look at the Soviet Union, where the government ran all industries "for the benefit of the people", there were no government bureaucrats waiting in breadlines.
There is nothing wrong with profit, it's why you go to work everyday. No matter how much you like your job, if they stopped paying you, my bet is that you'd stop showing up pretty quickly. Profit is the reason people innovate, the reason people start businesses, or invest the fruits of their own labor into other people's businesses.
The poll asks a very simple question. "Do you oppose slavery?"
How is that loaded? Because some of you don't like (nor can you defend) the points he makes after the poll?
Do you feel "betrayed" that you will check the box "yes" you oppose slavery, and then KNOW that you can't defend that position against the points in the OP.
If you would stop deflecting about how you do oppose slavery and then defend your position while still supporting socialism... that would be the way to go.
Let me spell it out for you.
Let's assume that you are an intelligent person for a moment. Let's say that you recognize that our country is a mix of capitalism and socialism since its inception, and that there is nothing wrong with the government providing some basic services: financial regulation, basic safety nets, consumer protections, environmental protection, common defense, roads, sewers, etc. You know, all the things that rational humans recognize as necessary for civilization.
So, being intelligent, you recognize that socialism is not evil (remember - you're intelligent in this example).
How do you vote on the question "Do you think slavery is evil?"
If you vote "Yes" (the normal rational response to that question) people will think your a brainless dolt - because the subject of the OP is how evil socialism is. If you vote "No" because you don't want people to think that, then are you actually saying that slavery is not evil?
See? It's not so hard to see a loaded question, if you're not a ideologically motivated teabagger, that is.
capitolism has become the slave holder, getting people to go into debt and then holding them hostage for years. If you hate socialism then lets get ride of public schools, police, fire dept. librarys [most tea baggers would not miss this]
capitolism has become the slave holder, getting people to go into debt and then holding them hostage for years. If you hate socialism then lets get ride of public schools, police, fire dept. librarys [most tea baggers would not miss this]
public schools, fire depts and libraries are funded by local and/or state municipalities. You have a choice as to whether you want to live in an area that is heavily governed or not. With a federal government doing the spending/redistributing, the only choice is to leave the country, a very costly and difficult venture.
public schools, fire depts and libraries are funded by local and/or state municipalities. You have a choice as to whether you want to live in an area that is heavily governed or not. With a federal government doing the spending/redistributing, the only choice is to leave the country, a very costly and difficult venture.
So the level of difficulty is your measure? You'd look elsewhere for your mythical freedom if it were just a little bit easier? I guess you don't really want it that bad, do you? Or you're just posturing with all this "socialism is slavery" nonsense.
You live here by choice. You get to live by the rules, institutions, and societal norms that we create through our representative democracy.
I don't agree with the phrase "Love it or leave it." You are free to work to change the things that you don't like. But don't sit here and tell us that what we're doing is evil. Unless you leave this country you are participating in shaping it. So you get to live with the results.
Sitting around and claiming that the socialism is OK on the state and local level, but not on the federal level is pretty moronic. As is claiming that socialism is evil, or akin to slavery. You've pretty much proven my point about President Obama in relationship to you.
So the level of difficulty is your measure? You'd look elsewhere for your mythical freedom if it were just a little bit easier? I guess you don't really want it that bad, do you? Or you're just posturing with all this "socialism is slavery" nonsense
Socialism, similar to mainframe computing, does not scale well to large numbers. You can certainly apply Von Neumann's architectural designs to social networks as well. Large networks with an overwhelming amount of nodes inevitably fails when relying on a centralized source. That is why P2P and distributed computing are taking the place of "legacy" centralized computing. This is also why local based government tends to be more efficient and less bureaucratic than a top heavy DC based government. You may certainly claim the analogy doesn't apply, but in order to convince others on this forum, you need to state why that's the case rather than just say the analogy is "absurd".
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You live here by choice. You get to live by the rules, institutions, and societal norms that we create through our representative democracy.
The rules cannot be changed on a whim. I will work to suppress that stupid mentality.
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I don't agree with the phrase "Love it or leave it." You are free to work to change the things that you don't like. But don't sit here and tell us that what we're doing is evil. Unless you leave this country you are participating in shaping it. So you get to live with the results.
That is the mantra of a pure democracy apologist.
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