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I personally think this is a good thing for consumers.
I think consumers bear some responsibility in researching these "colleges" and making sure they are making the right choice.
However, government funds are being used (which I don't understand...) in order for some students to attend these "colleges" so we do have an interest in making sure they are offering a legitimate education and abiding by the same rules as other colleges.
I have a cousin who attended University of Phoenix and feels like it wasn't worth it. The professors barely taught and wanted a lot of group work. The University mainly seemed more interested in making more money than teaching.
I have a friend who teaches for University of Phoenix and constantly complains about the quality (or lack thereof) of many of his students.
I personally think this is a good thing for consumers.
I think consumers bear some responsibility in researching these "colleges" and making sure they are making the right choice. However, government funds are being used (which I don't understand...) in order for some students to attend these "colleges" so we do have an interest in making sure they are offering a legitimate education and abiding by the same rules as other colleges.
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Not all private for-profit colleges take government funds (including refusal to take federal student loans - some have endowments to make loans from so they can refuse the federal influence).. if they take no government funds then should they still be regulated?
Not all private for-profit colleges take government funds (including refusal to take federal student loans - some have endowments to make loans from so they can refuse the federal influence).. if they take no government funds then should they still be regulated?
Yeah, I realize not every for profit college takes government funds.
I can see both sides in terms of regulating or not regulating for profit colleges that take government money.
What really makes me mad is that some of these rip off "colleges" are receiving government funds in the first place.
I personally think this is a good thing for consumers.
I think consumers bear some responsibility in researching these "colleges" and making sure they are making the right choice.
However, government funds are being used (which I don't understand...) in order for some students to attend these "colleges" so we do have an interest in making sure they are offering a legitimate education and abiding by the same rules as other colleges.
I have a cousin who attended University of Phoenix and feels like it wasn't worth it. The professors barely taught and wanted a lot of group work. The University mainly seemed more interested in making more money than teaching.
I have a friend who teaches for University of Phoenix and constantly complains about the quality (or lack thereof) of many of his students.
The University of Phoenix is a perfectly fine school. I have been going there for two years now and have no complaints. I have been to state schools as well, and the education I recieve is no different. People get all caught up on where they are going to school, that it's not good enough, that it's not the best, etc. Experience counts more than anything. Yes, there is a pecking order (Harvard, Yale, Brown, etc.) in higher education, but a degree is a degree for most jobs. It merely unlocks the door, and your experience/personality gets you the job. UoP has been around for 30 years or so. If nobody who graduated from the school got a decent paying job out of it, there would be no possible way they'd still be around, or as big as they are. As far as changes in regulation are concered, the 8% of income, gainful employment rule is bogus. I agree that regulation is needed, but that 8% rule should apply to all Universities, not just the for-profits. I hear of people graduating from a for-profit nursing school and the degree isnt properly accredited, the grad has 50k in student loans and is no better off than they were before they got the degree. My sister, who attended a state university, will have about 80k when she is done with her Bachelors.
The University of Phoenix is a perfectly fine school. I have been going there for two years now and have no complaints. I have been to state schools as well, and the education I recieve is no different. People get all caught up on where they are going to school, that it's not good enough, that it's not the best, etc. Experience counts more than anything. Yes, there is a pecking order (Harvard, Yale, Brown, etc.) in higher education, but a degree is a degree for most jobs. It merely unlocks the door, and your experience/personality gets you the job. UoP has been around for 30 years or so. If nobody who graduated from the school got a decent paying job out of it, there would be no possible way they'd still be around, or as big as they are. As far as changes in regulation are concered, the 8% of income, gainful employment rule is bogus. I agree that regulation is needed, but that 8% rule should apply to all Universities, not just the for-profits. I hear of people graduating from a for-profit nursing school and the degree isnt properly accredited, the grad has 50k in student loans and is no better off than they were before they got the degree. My sister, who attended a state university, will have about 80k when she is done with her Bachelors.
The degrees are not the same though... I know at my company we won't hire anyone with a degree from a for profit school. Kaplan, DeVry, UoP etc. are automatically put in the paper shredder.
I know many other companies that are the same way.
These schools are just another way for private corporations to generate dividends from government money. IMHO any student that elects to attend one of these diploma mills should not receive government funding. I consider charter high Schools to be part of the same waste of government money.
We also need to replace government college loans with government college grants to qualified applicants. Another possibility is to repay college loans with a permanent additional income tax of 5% or so. That way the financially successful would always pay a fair proportion of their income and some one making far less would pay less.
The degrees are not the same though... I know at my company we won't hire anyone with a degree from a for profit school. Kaplan, DeVry, UoP etc. are automatically put in the paper shredder.
I know many other companies that are the same way.
You're speaking from an anecdotal perspective. My old company wouldn't hire anyone from Harvard after the unfortunate incident with a psychology graduate from there. Goes both ways. While my degree isn't from a place like this, if I were running a small business I wouldn't hesitate to junk a resume from someone who went to a name recognize school and had the complementary attitude to go along with it.
I think your one incident with one student is anecdotal . That doesn't jive as they say with the hiring and success of Harvard graduates hired. Sounds like a hirng failure of your company really more than a overall evauation of schools. Certainly the numbers of top positons in successful companies show otherwise.
You're speaking from an anecdotal perspective. My old company wouldn't hire anyone from Harvard after the unfortunate incident with a psychology graduate from there. Goes both ways. While my degree isn't from a place like this, if I were running a small business I wouldn't hesitate to junk a resume from someone who went to a name recognize school and had the complementary attitude to go along with it.
They had one single issue with a person from a HIGHLY recognized school with a stellar reputation and they're willing to junk everyone else's resumes from that school? That just sounds silly.
There are MANY companies that don't recognize diploma mill (which is essentially what the for profit places are) degrees. I don't know many who would refuse a Harvard graduate though.
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