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Old 06-04-2010, 06:33 PM
 
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This is key and and rings so true. The small farmer is local..not a rent-a-farmer who farms for some billionaire living in CA. The factory farms MUST use the company directed feed shipped in for them.

The local farmer deals locally for parts, feed, sales.
I deal with them for my food and even plan to go that route myself in the next year or two. And it's a shame that there are so many Ag programs available but the big Ag guys grab them. Some are lucky to get help with fencing or pasture renovation but for the most part the billionaire farmers who least need the money are getting it

It is truly sad that many people don't know this.
Yeah, I'd love to see the day when small farm ownership becomes a viable and respected profession once again.

Agriculture, manufacturing, technology, these are the critical areas that build strong communities and nations.

Sadly there's too many TBTFs and not a single Theodore in sight.

Glad to hear you're going into the agri business.

Keep me informed, I like hearing good news.

 
Old 06-04-2010, 06:42 PM
 
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tax all products un-nutritiously high in processed sugar, sodium, fructose corn syrup; tax McDonald's, Dominoes, BK and all the fast food chains; slap a big fat juicy tax on the firearms industry; and for good measure the producers and users of pollutants in our environment.

Cost of universal health care solved.

There is another glaring example that the myth of capitalism and free markets is really a sham.

This industry is actually oligopoly that begs for and receives government bailouts. Why doesn't any scream and shout about these corporate welfare queens milking the system out of tax payer money?

There shenanigans have a direct impact on the nation's health.

Those that make statements about national security should investigate the posted links.
Wow, nice solution...the people with the least money use these products the most...
 
Old 06-06-2010, 09:12 PM
 
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More Big Agri News.

"Starting this week (June 1) in Washington, DC, the National Corn Growers Association and its affiliated state associations are rolling out a $1 million ad campaign to boost corn's tarnished image. It's targeted at lawmakers in the nation's capital, the people who control corn's fate in terms both of environmental regulation and the lavish and increasingly hard-to-justify federal subsidies for the ubiquitous crop, which have totaled $73.8 billion in taxpayer dollars since 1995."
 
Old 06-06-2010, 10:29 PM
 
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Universal heathcare was never really in the works of the power i the democrtic party.It was all talk becuase they knew what specail ihnterest they were going to payofff and which they were goingto give lip service to. After paying those off there was no money and only debt to pay off over the next generations.I wouold bet that even by 2014 the present bill will be in trouble getting anyhting going or done.Go back if you can find them and watch the deabte on heathcare reform by hillary and Obama. Niether had a set plan but the main differnce in what they had was whether you could enfiorce all to buy healthcare. obama said you couln't and hillary said you could.Latest CBO estimates are worse than either said on that.
 
Old 06-06-2010, 10:52 PM
 
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The total cost of all health care for all Americans will add up to the same, and our national wealth will pay for it. The cost of all of it will be borne by those who cannot pass the cost on to somebody else. That is, the wage earners.
 
Old 07-08-2010, 09:13 PM
 
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Man, I hope the strangle hold Big Agra has over our food supply can finally be dealt with.

"Just as with hog and poultry farming, consolidation in the dairy industry has done immeasurable damage to independent family farmers, consumers and the environment. The dairy market, though, is even more complicated than the market for chicken or pork, due to a 70 year old system of federal price setting for milk that adds another thick, murky layer of inscrutability.

This price setting scheme, the Federal Milk Marketing Order (FMMO) system, was enacted by Congress in 1937, in the wake of the Depression, to ensure that dairy farmers could earn a living and would thereby be encouraged to go on producing milk for the nation. Because milk is highly perishable, modern refrigerated transportation was still in its infancy, and there was often only one local milk dealer. Before the FMMO system was established farmers were generally forced to accept whatever price was offered. Today, however, the FMMO system has become a weapon used by huge dairy companies to accomplish that same nefarious goal -- paying farmers as little as possible."
 
Old 07-08-2010, 09:45 PM
 
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Why is the liberal solution for everything to TAX the masses and hand over entitlements to the few?
It's no different than the private insurance system, sans the profit margin.
 
Old 07-08-2010, 09:49 PM
 
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Why is the liberal solution for everything to TAX the masses and hand over entitlements to the few?
Because from societies that we look to as semi-ideal, who tax the masses, there seem to be good things going on. Scandinavian societies for ex. I've argued this point to the death though. And they do have smaller populations and the people have been PAYING into the system for several decades so it makes sense. I think some liberals find these to be ideal societies but they really are not workable in America right now.
 
Old 07-08-2010, 09:55 PM
 
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Man, I hope the strangle hold Big Agra has over our food supply can finally be dealt with.

"Just as with hog and poultry farming, consolidation in the dairy industry has done immeasurable damage to independent family farmers, consumers and the environment. The dairy market, though, is even more complicated than the market for chicken or pork, due to a 70 year old system of federal price setting for milk that adds another thick, murky layer of inscrutability.

This price setting scheme, the Federal Milk Marketing Order (FMMO) system, was enacted by Congress in 1937, in the wake of the Depression, to ensure that dairy farmers could earn a living and would thereby be encouraged to go on producing milk for the nation. Because milk is highly perishable, modern refrigerated transportation was still in its infancy, and there was often only one local milk dealer. Before the FMMO system was established farmers were generally forced to accept whatever price was offered. Today, however, the FMMO system has become a weapon used by huge dairy companies to accomplish that same nefarious goal -- paying farmers as little as possible."
Not to change the subject of this thread but the milk folks right now are not doing so good even with 1937 subsidies.
 
Old 07-09-2010, 06:01 PM
 
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Not to change the subject of this thread but the milk folks right now are not doing so good even with 1937 subsidies.
Actually that is what the link is about if you read it.
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