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because the Democrat party and man cuasedglobal warming fantasy addicts are ALWAYS right and base their assumptions on SCIENCE (no matter how much of a lie it is based on)
The fact is, Phil Jones is the main player on the AGW stage. CRU was the one place that housed the most complete record of the worlds surface temperature readings.
there are two other locations in the USA. Goddard Institute for Space Studies (NASA) National Oceanic and Atomoshperic Adminstration (AOAA)
however, their data has many of the same problems because they got a lot of it from CRU (Phil Jones).
The American record is shoddy at best as many locations have urbanized in the 150 odd years of record keeping and with the removal of 2/3 of recording locations. those that have been removed are the more rural and higher altitude sites.
these factors have built in a warming bias that doesnt represent reality.
At any rate, there simply isnt any other real raw data that has not been messed with and processed by computer programs to "homoginize" the records.
Yeah, the surface temperature record is more noise than data.
The Urban Heat Island effect is a big source of bias toward hotter temperatures. Phil Jones wrote a paper some years ago that tried to minimize it, but there were serious issues of fraud regarding its data, mainly urban and rural stations in China. Well, we now know that Phil Jones' work products are not to be trusted. He is the notorious center of the Climate Gate scandal. In fact, he admitted he doesn't know where the rural Chinese stations were, and in fact, he doesen't have the raw data anymore... he lost it somewhere. Perhaps the dog ate it?
Note that science relies on repeatability. Other scientists have to be able to take the original data and methods and come up with the same answers. In Phil Jones case, nobody else reproduced his Urban Heat Island results. How could they? Sure, his paper was peer-reviewed, but all that meant was sweetheart approval by his buddies and allies, not his critics. And they did not test his theories in any way, only checked his paper for obvious errors, and decided it was publishable.
Not necessarily scientifically valid, just good enough to publish.
This is the reason that climate science is so disreputable today... the quality control that the scientific method enforces in other sciences was subverted by warmist climate scientists, in order to protect their political monopoly and not jeopardize their grant money.
The biggest potential loser in all of this is Goldman Sachs. They stood to profit to the tune of billions if cap and tax was adopted. With new revelations about phony numbers coming out almost everyday and the economy in the toilet as it is now, I can't see cap and tax being adopted anytime soon if ever.
This type of sloppy record keeping, stifling of contrary opinion, lack of transparency by ignoring requests for information and/or deliberate biases being injected to influence a desired outcome will be very bad for credibility for all scientists and the scientific method.
In the meantime, let's get the violins and crying towel out for Goldman!!!
The effect of Climate Gate on "climate science" is sort of like catching someone lying a few times.
Perhaps the fellow was telling the truth the rest of the time. Perhaps the climate scientists that didn't get outed this time are legit?
In practice, when you catch a few lies out of someone's mouth, you discount the rest of what he says.
And in practice, when you catch some of the man-made global warming advocates using fraud and deception, you stop trusting the word of others of their ilk.
Here's an interesting paper from Russia suggesting that climate change on Earth and Mars is caused by changes in energy emitted by the sun. It is tied with the Astrometria project on the Russian portion of the International Space Station.
Russia seems to have much more academic freedom than the West. Over there, the believers in man made global warming have been unable to bully and suppress advocates of other approaches. Their scientists may save us all.
The CLOUD project at the CERN supercollider that will measure the possible cosmic ray influence on climate is going well. Here is the URL for their latest report, as of Nov 2009. http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1221088
What is significant about Astromedia and CLOUD is that these projects represent true experimental science with hard, repeatable results, whereas the man made global warming theorists are just engaging in speculation and computer modeling. Hence their beliefs are basically self-delusion.
The effect of Climate Gate on "climate science" is sort of like catching someone lying a few times.
Perhaps the fellow was telling the truth the rest of the time. Perhaps the climate scientists that didn't get outed this time are legit?
In practice, when you catch a few lies out of someone's mouth, you discount the rest of what he says.
And in practice, when you catch some of the man-made global warming advocates using fraud and deception, you stop trusting the word of others of their ilk.
Ace, what you say is true. However, to some people, anytime you do not AFFIRM their belief, you are a liar.
“When we average temperature over 5 or 10 years to minimize that variability,”
And if we don't...
“The difference between the second and sixth warmest years is trivial because the known uncertainty in the temperature measurement is larger than some of the differences between the warmest years.”
This is too funny. Phil Jones cites the IPCC in support of his claim of AGW. And the IPCC bases its report on the work of Phil Jones. Can you get more circular?
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