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Old 03-18-2010, 08:59 PM
 
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Yes, I do share some of the concerns about giving people a little and then they take advantage of the system by getting more but still living their lifestyle. But really, is this the majority of the population? I realized that maybe these people just stick out more in my mind. Kind of like when a minority acts the stereotype and I conclude they all act that way. I never seem to remember the ones who don't act the stereotype and they are NOT the exception.

I agree with other posters about focusing on the reasons why medical cost are so high.

Any time I bring up a concern at the pediatrician's office they are quick to order tests or to recommend a specialist. I think every time I have gone to the ped., I have been referred to some sort of specialist like GI, ophthalmologist and, the latest, cardiologist. They always tell me, I don't think this is anything to be concerned about but you should see a...thankfully, nothing more has come out of it other than being $200 short for each visit.
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Old 03-19-2010, 06:05 AM
 
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Here is a pretty good overview of pros/cons of bill in a non hysterical fashion.

Q&A: Stanford's Dr. Jay Bhattacharya explains the health reform bill
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Old 03-19-2010, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Full text of Amended bill if, like me, you have Acrobat issues:

Health Care Bill Text - H.R. 4872 - Reconciliation Act of 2010 - OpenCongress
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Old 03-19-2010, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Here is a pretty good overview of pros/cons of bill in a non hysterical fashion.

Q&A: Stanford's Dr. Jay Bhattacharya explains the health reform bill
At the risk of sounding "hysterical", I only got one paragraph into the link before I saw exactly the main thing that I have a problem with:

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If they can afford to buy insurance on their own, they'll have to do so or face penalties.
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Old 03-19-2010, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Here is a pretty good overview of pros/cons of bill in a non hysterical fashion.

Q&A: Stanford's Dr. Jay Bhattacharya explains the health reform bill
Thanks for the link.
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Old 03-19-2010, 07:04 AM
 
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At the risk of sounding "hysterical", I only got one paragraph into the link before I saw exactly the main thing that I have a problem with:


I understand everyone's frustration with the bill. I am not a fan of it. Instead of lowering the cost of healthcare, we will just magically subsidize with our own tax money people whose income will fall below a certain threshold. Middle class gets screwed again.

Supposedly the mandate for everyone to purchase their own insurance is to provide a large enough pool to pass the no pre existing clause. No word on what happens if too many people decide to pay the penalty instead of buying the insurance.

Also notice from the link that there can be no CBO analysis of what happens in 2018 when Cadillac tax plans are phased out and co payments and deductibles soar to keep premiums below 23K per year for family.

There are a LOT of unaswered questions and different scenarios that can play out with this bill. It is NOT well thought out and is full of gimmicks and kickbacks.

They could have done a lot better.
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Old 03-19-2010, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I understand everyone's frustration with the bill. I am not a fan of it. Instead of lowering the cost of healthcare, we will just magically subsidize with our own tax money people whose income will fall below a certain threshold. Middle class gets screwed again.

Supposedly the mandate for everyone to purchase their own insurance is to provide a large enough pool to pass the no pre existing clause. No word on what happens if too many people decide to pay the penalty instead of buying the insurance.

Also notice from the link that there can be no CBO analysis of what happens in 2018 when Cadillac tax plans are phased out and co payments and deductibles soar to keep premiums below 23K per year for family.

There are a LOT of unaswered questions and different scenarios that can play out with this bill. It is NOT well thought out and is full of gimmicks and kickbacks.

They could have done a lot better.
Completely agree!

A sure sign that something must be fundamentally wrong with this entire Bill is the simple fact that it wasn't passed when there was a super-majority with a blank checkbook.
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Old 03-19-2010, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Now we are reading of insurers raising rates 30-40%. There's nothing to prevent that from continuing each year. That implies our rates and premium will go up as well as the additional tax to cover the folks who get subsidized. The low income folks won't be able to afford a 40% hike; in fact I doubt they can afford what the intitial premium will be.

I just don't see how this will work for lower income folks..they do NOT have this type of extra money. They don't have health insurance because they cannot afford it; some can't afford it at any cost but they make just over what qualifies for medicaid so they can't get free care.
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Old 03-19-2010, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Here is a pretty good overview of pros/cons of bill in a non hysterical fashion.

Q&A: Stanford's Dr. Jay Bhattacharya explains the health reform bill
I read it, but a couple of things remain unclear to me...

1..What will the cost be for the individual insured person?
2.. Will the insurance still be carried by private companies? If so, then I think it will fail and there will be little if any savings to the insured.
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Old 03-19-2010, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Here is a pretty good overview of pros/cons of bill in a non hysterical fashion.

Q&A: Stanford's Dr. Jay Bhattacharya explains the health reform bill
I disagree with him on this part:

"The bill will not result in a government takeover of healthcare. It will not result in death panels. It will not result in the government saying to doctors: "You shouldn't cover grandma's care because it's too expensive." It will provide guidance to doctors about what kind of care is most effective in certain circumstances, and doctors and patients will make their own decisions on whether to undertake that care."

The president already told us that the government will restrict some care, that the government deems as excessive. The government will use charts that rely on cost/benefit statistics. 0bama eluded to this in the infamous "just take a pain pill" response to a woman with an elderly parent.

Secondly, I'd like to keep the government out of regulating or advising doctors on what medical care they can choose from for their patients. I trust doctors more then some regulatory board of bureaucrats.
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