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I do that already except that now I'll have to pay more for those who don't.
Actually, those are not bad ideas, but those are the very people who would be screaming about too much government intervention in personal lives if the government started dictating !
Wouldn't mind moving there. Just for the healthcare, you understand.
Thats where Rush Limbaugh goes..loves it ! Except , he now is moving to Costa Rica...where they have UHC totaly run by the Government. And here is a Guy that can afford his own personal Doctor full time.
What I propose (since we are heading towards a Euro Style of governing anyways). For all those who elect to have the government subsidize health premiums, they must have all their finances audited. That means, they need to lose that $30 iphone data plan. They need to lose that $80 Nike shoes. That means they need to save on their electricity bill. They can't keep the room temp more than 68 degrees in the winter time and can't keep it cooler than 76 degrees in the summer time. That way the government can start recouping some of the healthcare premium subsidies they are handing out. Once they audit out all the wasteless consumer spending, than they can qualify for healthcare subsidies. Yes that means forgoing eating out also.
What? You know, some of us can afford to do the above AND pay a small tax towards a health care subsidy for others.
What? You know, some of us can afford to do the above AND pay a small tax towards a health care subsidy for others.
The issue isn't about paying a small tax towards subsidizing other's health premiums.
The 2 main issues with this current health bill.
1. Absoutely ZERO cost controls. You can subsidize premiums until the cows come home but until you can start containing costs (either through rationing of health services) or havingin real private insurance competition across state lines, you won't go anywhere.
2. There's zero accountability for those who receive health subsidies. There's no mandate to stop them from smoking. There's no mandate to stop them from being obese. There's no mandate to stop them from eating better. There's no mandate to stop being from drinking or having unsafe sex (to prevent STD's)
Being in medicine, 60-70% of health problems are cause by people themselves. Sure some people have genetic problems. Some are born with congenital defect. Cancer happens. That I understand.
What I don't understand is people complain about having back problems. The vast majority of people with back problems are overweight. Lose some weight please. How about those with diabetes and continue to smoke. Very bad combination.
I could go on and on. That's why there is no punitive method to prevent people from living healthier lives. If people choose to accept health subsidies they must stop bad behavior.
The more things I read on this thread, the more I appreciate living in Canada...I have a modest income but easily afford a nice home, three cars (Two of them collector cars) a 40 foot boat, a camper trailer and pretty much every convenient gadget I want and still have quite a bit left over to help others....
I also do not have the stress that comes with worrying about health care.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- No stress about waiting for a diagnostic test which could be a necessity for a potentially terminal condition. Hope you continue enjoying good health , but one day maybe.....
Btw, our proposed bill, at least the version currently out there http://budget.house.gov/doc-library/FY2010/03.15.2010_reconciliation2010.PDF , prior to reconciliation and the two-step, backstep "deemed" violation of the Constitution is very interesting. I've been scrolling through the bill and found, in addition to the "public option" that is not supposed to be included and is on page 116, some built-in social engineering 'favoritism' . It's on page 926-943 and titled..."Health Professions Training for Diversity". Now I wonder why they'd include "diversity"...Ha! Then your control freakazoid politicians assert themselves in a 'behavior modification' effort titled "Prevention and Wellness Trust" on page 944. Now encouraging healthy choices in lifestyle benefits all because you'll be healthier, BUT...do you really want to empower the gooberment to mandate eventually by directive what you must and must not do. That after all, is REALLY what it's all about. If it wasn't it wouldn't have to be in a bill to become law. They'd more easily print out a pamphlet and send or hand them out. THINK! >>> Why are some of these things even written in there? It's all about greater control upon everything we do in our daily lives. The real story is the implied. What is NOT stated in the bill is the power of issuing directives that all these entities will have. They have the effect of law without Advice and Consent of congress. And you'll find out too late. Fascism is alive and well with the progressive liberal Oba-socialists as the government overthrow and takeover continues unabated.
That's why there is no punitive method to prevent people from living healthier lives. If people choose to accept health subsidies they must stop bad behavior.
----------------------------------------------------------------------- Silly boy! "No punitive method...". Don't you know that the Oba-maniacs covered that as per my post #614. Check out p. 944. Almost every agenda in this bill has empowering control mechanisms built-in and with penalties if you don't shape up.
The issue isn't about paying a small tax towards subsidizing other's health premiums.
The 2 main issues with this current health bill.
1. Absoutely ZERO cost controls. You can subsidize premiums until the cows come home but until you can start containing costs (either through rationing of health services) or havingin real private insurance competition across state lines, you won't go anywhere.
2. There's zero accountability for those who receive health subsidies. There's no mandate to stop them from smoking. There's no mandate to stop them from being obese. There's no mandate to stop them from eating better. There's no mandate to stop being from drinking or having unsafe sex (to prevent STD's)
Being in medicine, 60-70% of health problems are cause by people themselves. Sure some people have genetic problems. Some are born with congenital defect. Cancer happens. That I understand.
What I don't understand is people complain about having back problems. The vast majority of people with back problems are overweight. Lose some weight please. How about those with diabetes and continue to smoke. Very bad combination.
I could go on and on. That's why there is no punitive method to prevent people from living healthier lives. If people choose to accept health subsidies they must stop bad behavior.
What kind of health professional are you? Just askin'. I'd hate to have you for a doctor, if you are one. We are all human. We all have our frailties.
There are no mandates for anyone getting insurance now. I'm not in favor of "punitive" measures. I'm certainly in favor of positive measures to change bad habits.
Walgreens dropping medicaid patients in state of Washington starting 4/16 due to "continued reduction in reimbursement" to the point of where they are about to start losing money.
No business is in business to lose money. This is the 2nd drugstore in Washington to do this.
Bug govt says not to worry..plenty of other drugstores to go to.
Walgreens dropping medicaid patients in state of Washington starting 4/16 due to "continued reduction in reimbursement" to the point of where they are about to start losing money.
No business is in business to lose money. This is the 2nd drugstore in Washington to do this.
Bug govt says not to worry..plenty of other drugstores to go to.
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Not to worry. It's worse than that Happy Texan. The Oba-fascists have that covered in the new bill and ObaCar, your Health Control Factory, will get bulk pharma rates DIRECT from the companies and dispense the drugs themselves. They don't need no steenkin' drug stores any more? Only private docs who stay independent and opt NOT to join ObaCare do. That's who! Ouch! How long do you think they'll stay in business not being able to write script for their patients. These clowns have covered all the bases. Why do you think they're fighting so hard to get it through ANY WAY THEY CAN? C-O-N-T-R-O-L.
Take the time to force yourself to scroll through this bill. Say 100 pages per day. Pause when something looking like a 'control' agenda catches your eye. You'll see.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- No stress about waiting for a diagnostic test which could be a necessity for a potentially terminal condition. Hope you continue enjoying good health , but one day maybe.....
I've had many diagnostic tests... I haven't had to wait yet...Nice rumor though, too bad for you it's not true.
I've had many diagnostic tests... I haven't had to wait yet...Nice rumor though, too bad for you it's not true.
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No skin off my nose. I'm repeating what I've seen stated on TV by actual family members about the interminable wait for diagnostics. Could it be that in BC it's different than in other parts of Canada? The contradiction you make makes no sense based upon what we hear down in the US.
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except that now I'll have to pay more for those who don't. 
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