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Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Originally Posted by DraggingCanoe
"The Nebraska legislature is getting ready for its second vote on a measure that would ban abortion after 20 weeks gestation on the basis of fetal pain. If passed and signed into law, the legislation could pose a direct challenge to the 1973 Roe v. Wade case, because it applies a different standard for restricting abortion than the one used by the Supreme Court."
"The “Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act” (LB 1103 (http://nebraskalegislature.gov/FloorDocs/Current/PDF/AM/AM2063.pdf - broken link)), authored by Speaker Mike Flood, has already won its first round of approval in the Unicameral, Nebraska’s legislative body, by a vote of 38 - 5. A second reading on the bill is expected to take place soon as there are only six days remaining before the legislature concludes its work for the 2010 legislative year. "
They cannot ban it. They can and should restrict it after that long of time to things like saving the life of the mother or the fetus is deformed or severely defective in some way. I am for abortion 100% but after 12 weeks, the government should have more restrictions on it. Before 12 weeks it should be available on demand without question or reason.
Again, do not try to debate the scientific literature here
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Tell me................. do you debate the particulars of wiring with your electrician? I can really envision you doing so, and thier thoughts of you must be very similar to mine.
Just curious...is this how you presented your data? "Your honor, do not try to debate me when you're no specialist in the field. I'm aghast at how arrogant you are. Do you work in the field of pain management? I didn't think so. Therefore: if I say it's correct, it is...no explanation necessary. I think very little of you and you're, you know, sort of laughable." If so, bad for your proponents, all good for those who oppose the bad.
It all leads to the same old thing: You really can't support your position. If you can't flat-out explain to us, you can't flat-out explain to those who are pushing the ban (who surely also are not all "specialists" in whatever field you currently purport to be), so I have no choice but to ignore your commentary; it's emotional, it's occasionally abusive, there's a lot of posturing and flailing and bellowing, but lacks actual science, as far as I can see.
There has been a lot of science on this thread from some posters and it has been an interesting read. I will be following to see what happens.
Abortion is going nowhere and the pro life movement would be better served finding programs to make abortion as little used as possible.
The destruction of babies and the enslavement of the black race both have, and had, the political potential to divide a nation in half. Whenever I hear someone say something like what you have said I always wonder if someone pre-Civil War said something like, "Slavery is not going away and the abolitionist movement would be better served finding ways to make slaves more comfortable."
I AM Board Certified in two fields. Given my initmate knowledge of this subject ( you should try the peer reviewed literature, rather than idiotic layman "pie charts"), you can probably guess what I do.
The Guttmacher Institute is comprised of laymen? Also...Therefore, what you're saying is that the chart is inaccurate, and that more women than it's showing abort fetuses past the 20th week? Of course, I'm not holding my breath for an actual answer as you seem to dislike giving those, I'm assuming because you just don't have them.
But if you have data that show that the chart is inaccurate, please do show us.
Hey people that don't wanna give other people a chance to live or have a life shouldn't be here because that is the way they value new life....it's the golden rule..do unto others
Really? So why don't you come here and get rid of me? You can't do it.
Wah wah wah! Cry all you want. Pro woman. Pro choice. Always.
Just curious...is this how you presented your data? "Your honor, do not try to debate me when you're no specialist in the field. I'm aghast at how arrogant you are. Do you work in the field of pain management? I didn't think so. Therefore: if I say it's correct, it is...no explanation necessary. I think very little of you and you're, you know, sort of laughable." If so, bad for your proponents, all good for those who oppose the bad.
It all leads to the same old thing: You really can't support your position. If you can't flat-out explain to us, you can't flat-out explain to those who are pushing the ban (who surely also are not all "specialists" in whatever field you currently purport to be), so I have no choice but to ignore your commentary; it's emotional, it's occasionally abusive, there's a lot of posturing and flailing and bellowing, but lacks actual science, as far as I can see.
There has been a lot of science on this thread from some posters and it has been an interesting read. I will be following to see what happens.
I do specifically work in the field of pain management for a neurosurgery group. This is my area of expertise. I am Board Certified and trained in that area. This is what I practice everyday.
The reason I know about the Nebraska legislature hearings is that I reviewed and edited testimony prior to its presentation. So yes, I know a little about that information and the ltierature!
Again, for you to "argue" with me on the pathophysiology of pain is amazingly arrogant. I would envision as well that you would "argue" the pathophysiology of coronary artery disease as well, as everyone knows that laymen know alot more about medicine than Board Certified physicians.
Again, for you to "argue" with me on the pathophysiology of pain is amazingly arrogant. I would envision as well that you would "argue" the pathophysiology of coronary artery disease as well, as everyone knows that laymen know alot more about medicine than Board Certified physicians.
Again, for you to claim you're an expert in ANY field and then refuse to answer questions that surely would have come up in testimony as well (was everyone witnessing your testimony an expert in "your fields" already?) sheds a huge amount of light on where you're coming from, or not. You can go on and on with the tantrums about how arrogant I am but I have yet to see real science come from you...instead, there's a lot of yelling, posturing, defensiveness and insult. What field does that make you an expert in? Flaming on a message board?
I see a lot of emotionalism and immaturity here, but not a whole lot of science, sorry.
I have a problem with doctors who think people should not question what they are saying. thinking we should just accept what they say as fact just because they went to school and studied. you see it all the time in the medical fields when you question anything. far too much ego in the field. questioning is a good thing, isn't this why you get a second opinion as well?
Does a fetus feel pain? If there is any doubt at any time shouldn't we rather err on the side of the helpless voiceless human? We give more thought and recognition to baby seals. The thought that maybe that fetus feels pain is more than enough reason to prevent his suffering.
Really? So why don't you come here and get rid of me? You can't do it.
Wah wah wah! Cry all you want. Pro woman. Pro choice. Always.
I'm pro life....I don't believe in killing unless it's to defend my family, so why would I want to do what you beleive should be done to other living beings?
I won't stoop to that level
LOL..."Wah wah wah! Cry all you want" ...this statement proves my point about the maturity level and capability of understanding that pro choice people relate to. You don't see me dismissing your love of killing babies by dismissing it with immaturity like what you posted.
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