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I suspect pro-abortion women who want an abortion on demand will simply travel outside of Nebraska to get that if this measure passes. They don't have to go far, only to Kansas, to get a partial birth abortion. Why all the fuss from the pro-abortionists?
Here is a scenario.
A young girl, in the middle of Nebraska is raped. She doesn't realize she is pregnant until, oh, 21 weeks later. You know, trauma can interfere with a womans cycle.
So, she then wants an abortion. She doesn't have a car that can safely navigate to Kansas, she doesn't have enough money for the abortion, and a bus ticket, and her family isn't willing to help her.
Nebraska would then force this young lady, to have the child of her rapist.
How sick is that?
IF the law passes, and I say if, it would be put on suspension right away, pending trial in the US district court. The supreme court would most certainly overturn it, if the district court doesn't. After 20 weeks, its not even clear a fetus could feel pain, as the nervous system isn't even fully developed at that time yet.
A young girl, in the middle of Nebraska is raped. She doesn't realize she is pregnant until, oh, 21 weeks later. You know, trauma can interfere with a womans cycle.
So, she then wants an abortion. She doesn't have a car that can safely navigate to Kansas, she doesn't have enough money for the abortion, and a bus ticket, and her family isn't willing to help her.
Nebraska would then force this young lady, to have the child of her rapist.
How sick is that?
IF the law passes, and I say if, it would be put on suspension right away, pending trial in the US district court. The supreme court would most certainly overturn it, if the district court doesn't. After 20 weeks, its not even clear a fetus could feel pain, as the nervous system isn't even fully developed at that time yet.
Or maybe more likely, she knows at a certain point that she's pregnant, but since it's not every 15-year-old who can suddenly pull $6000 out of her pocket and drive herself to an abortion clinic, it takes some time to get things together.
People don't seem to account for that, either. "What took the woman so long to decide to have an abortion?" It probably didn't take her that long to decide--it took her that long to figure out how the hell she's going to come up with $6000 cash.
A young girl, in the middle of Nebraska is raped. She doesn't realize she is pregnant until, oh, 21 weeks later. You know, trauma can interfere with a womans cycle.
So, she then wants an abortion. She doesn't have a car that can safely navigate to Kansas, she doesn't have enough money for the abortion, and a bus ticket, and her family isn't willing to help her.
Nebraska would then force this young lady, to have the child of her rapist.
How sick is that?
IF the law passes, and I say if, it would be put on suspension right away, pending trial in the US district court. The supreme court would most certainly overturn it, if the district court doesn't. After 20 weeks, its not even clear a fetus could feel pain, as the nervous system isn't even fully developed at that time yet.
But but but.....who cares about the woman? Who cares now that it is born? All the "prolifers" are happy to vote against UHC and anything that might help because it is SOCIALISM.
"Prolife" until you are born. ********* and **** you after wards. We don't care about anything but the fetus and we stop caring once it comes out from the vagina.
The anti woman/anti freedom/anti American "prolife" movement is nothing but a joke and should be addressed as such in my honest opinion.
PRINCETON, NJ -- A new Gallup Poll, conducted May 7-10, finds 51% of Americans calling themselves "pro-life" on the issue of abortion and 42% "pro-choice." This is the first time a majority of U.S. adults have identified themselves as pro-life since Gallup began asking this question in 1995.
It seems those that have no problem killing the unborn are in the minority.
This will be interesting to watch when it gets to SCOTUS.
The court has found that states are well within their rights to regulate abortion access.
A young girl, in the middle of Nebraska is raped. She doesn't realize she is pregnant until, oh, 21 weeks later. You know, trauma can interfere with a womans cycle.
So, she then wants an abortion. She doesn't have a car that can safely navigate to Kansas, she doesn't have enough money for the abortion, and a bus ticket, and her family isn't willing to help her.
Nebraska would then force this young lady, to have the child of her rapist.
How sick is that?
IF the law passes, and I say if, it would be put on suspension right away, pending trial in the US district court. The supreme court would most certainly overturn it, if the district court doesn't. After 20 weeks, its not even clear a fetus could feel pain, as the nervous system isn't even fully developed at that time yet.
1) you are hypotheticalizing in "la la land" if you don't think a woman who has been raped is praying every day for her period to come so that she knows she is not pregnant as a result of the rape. Really, you are most unrealistic in your little "scenario".
2) The children resulting from rape can be adopted out. Is it the child's fault that it was concieved in rape? Would you kill every innocent child that was a product of rape? How sick is that?
3) Pregnancy is a temporary condition, usually lasting no more than 9 months. The woman can mentally overcome carrying that child to term and giving it up for adoption (if she so chooses) just as easily (or not so easily as has been proven) as she can mentally overcome an abortion. So really what is your point?
4) It is a false arguement you attempt to make that the state that limits abortion to those under 21 weeks(5 mos.) is forcing a woman to have a child. Absence of a service is not the same as forcing someone to do something. Get a grip, really!
5) Doesn't your arguement really only boil down to pointing out that pro-abortionists are too cheap to donate toward a fund to help needy underage children who have been raped to get a bus ticket to the one state where late term partial birth abortions are still taking place to get there and have the abortion and that instead all people should have to pay for those abortions? Funny how liberals are only good at spending other people's money for those causes they support.
6) No one is "anti-woman" for wanting to find a way to diminish or eliminate abortion on demand, no one.
1) you are hypotheticalizing in "la la land" if you don't think a woman who has been raped is praying every day for her period to come so that she knows she is not pregnant as a result of the rape. Really, you are most unrealistic in your little "scenario".
Really, do you have proof that every woman thats raped is "praying" for her period to come? As I said, its a scientific FACT that when trauma happens, a womans cycle is often delayed.
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2) The children resulting from rape can be adopted out. Is it the child's fault that it was concieved in rape? Would you kill every innocent child that was a product of rape? How sick is that?
So, you want to not only force a woman to have to deal with the rape, but to have the second physical trauma of giving birth to the rapists child?
I mean seriously, can you imagine having to think about it, constantly for 9 months, and then be forced to have your rapists child. Thats sick. I'm not God, but if I were, I'd have a special place in hell for someone who thought that way.
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3) Pregnancy is a temporary condition, usually lasting no more than 9 months. The woman can mentally overcome carrying that child to term and giving it up for adoption (if she so chooses) just as easily (or not so easily as has been proven) as she can mentally overcome an abortion. So really what is your point?
Here we go with adoption again. You do realize that we have an adoptive parent shortage in this country right? Many children in the current system, go for years, often until they are 18, until they are out of foster care.
You want to add a whole bunch of rapist children to the mix? Sorry , there isn't enough Christian charity out there to take care of the kids.
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4) It is a false arguement you attempt to make that the state that limits abortion to those under 21 weeks(5 mos.) is forcing a woman to have a child. Absence of a service is not the same as forcing someone to do something. Get a grip, really!
It is if she can't get out of the state, isn't it. What you just said is like this,
Well, no one forced the Jews to stay in Europe, they could have left. Its their own fault they were executed by the Nazis.
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5) Doesn't your arguement really only boil down to pointing out that pro-abortionists are too cheap to donate toward a fund to help needy underage children who have been raped to get a bus ticket to the one state where late term partial birth abortions are still taking place to get there and have the abortion and that instead all people should have to pay for those abortions? Funny how liberals are only good at spending other people's money for those causes they support.
I'd love to, I haven't heard of a charity for it. However, a simpler system of just allowing abortions wherever you are would save money, and be a better system.
You know, wasting money, on bus tickets, when it could be better spent on the foster children who are already not being adopted would be better, don't you think. Instead, you want to take that money away from those kids, because as someone else said, "after they are born, **** you"
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6) No one is "anti-woman" for wanting to find a way to diminish or eliminate abortion on demand, no one.
I am all for diminishing abortions. Thats why I support sex ed classes that not only teach abstinence, but options as well. Thats why I support the morning after pill, without a doctors prescription, and available to any rape victim, and not over the counter, just on the shelf.
However, many "pro life" people are also, anti sex. They can't have people telling kids there are options, instead, they are just worried about policing morality.
Me, I'm for you do, what you want, with your body.
Here we go with adoption again. You do realize that we have an adoptive parent shortage in this country right? Many children in the current system, go for years, often until they are 18, until they are out of foster care.
You want to add a whole bunch of rapist children to the mix? Sorry , there isn't enough Christian charity out there to take care of the kids.
Sorry, but that is a bunch of bull shiite. There is no adoptive family shortage. There are a lot of kids who are stuck in the limbo of the Foster Care system. You do realize that Foster Care is not an orphanage or an adoption agency, right? They are in the sole business of keeping a family together - regardless of the cost. Those kids who are stuck in Foster Care were not relinquished by their parents -- their parents never made an adoption plan for them. Those kids were taken from their families due to abuse and/or neglect. Quite a different scenerio then a newborn being placed for an adoption, don't you agree? I'm sorry, but what you are doing is just wrong. You shouldn't continue this weird myth that noone wants to adopt in the US. Whats next? That noone wants to adopt black/brown kids or kids with disabilities? Please. I'm not the only one I know who has a child that looks different then them and came with questionable health issues.
I am all for diminishing abortions. Thats why I support sex ed classes that not only teach abstinence, but options as well. Thats why I support the morning after pill, without a doctors prescription, and available to any rape victim, and not over the counter, just on the shelf.
However, many "pro life" people are also, anti sex. They can't have people telling kids there are options, instead, they are just worried about policing morality.
Me, I'm for you do, what you want, with your body.
On this I totally agree with you. I wish that the morning after pill was given out at the beginning of each school day, frankly. The pill, condoms - all of it! I wish that kids had to face exactly what having an abortion is like and the emotional aftermath of it/I wish that kids had to face what giving a child up for adoption was like/and the emotional aftermath of that/I wish that kids had to face what it is like to be a single mom and the almost guaranteed poverty that comes with that before having sex for the first time. Maybe more would wait, or be extremely vigiliant against pregnancy.
I guess what I am saying is that regardless of the decision the girl makes, it is guaranteed to be painful and difficult with long lasting ramifications. There is no magic bullet.
On this I totally agree with you. I wish that the morning after pill was given out at the beginning of each school day, frankly. The pill, condoms - all of it! I wish that kids had to face exactly what having an abortion is like and the emotional aftermath of it/I wish that kids had to face what giving a child up for adoption was like/and the emotional aftermath of that/I wish that kids had to face what it is like to be a single mom and the almost guaranteed poverty that comes with that before having sex for the first time. Maybe more would wait, or be extremely vigiliant against pregnancy.
I guess what I am saying is that regardless of the decision the girl makes, it is guaranteed to be painful and difficult with long lasting ramifications. There is no magic bullet.
There are roughly 500,000 children in foster care now, in the US. Of those 127,000 are up for adoption, and of those, only 51,000 or so will be adopted.
So you see, there are a WHOLE lot more kids already, who aren't being adopted.
Making Abortion illegal, would only increase that number. There aren't enough parents out there for those kids.
As far as the rest of what you said, I agree with most of it.
There are roughly 500,000 children in foster care now, in the US. Of those 127,000 are up for adoption, and of those, only 51,000 or so will be adopted.
So you see, there are a WHOLE lot more kids already, who aren't being adopted.
Making Abortion illegal, would only increase that number. There aren't enough parents out there for those kids.
As far as the rest of what you said, I agree with most of it.
Unfortunately, of those 76,000 children who will not be adopted many have been in the system for years or have been abused/neglected to the point of serious and potentially life long psyciatric issues. There is a reason that this happens and itsn't the lack of potential adoptive families. I wish the best for those children, and I wish their lives had been different. Sadly they were 'wanted' by their parents and could only be taken away after serious abuse happened.
So? Doesn't make it right. The truth is that there is no such thing as "prolife". It is anti freedom, anti privacy and so many other things.
The last thing the liars and hypocrites on the "prolife" side are pro life.
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