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Old 09-14-2011, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Originally Posted by HistorianDude View Post
Maybe in France. Not in the US.


The US Supreme Court has called bull sh*t on that claim.

US v. Wong Kim Ark
Minor v Happersett

"The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.

These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."

Chief Justice Waite defines natural-born citizens.....born to citizen parents...he did not say born to citizen parents in France.
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Old 09-14-2011, 05:33 PM
 
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Chief Justice Waite defines natural-born citizens......
do you believe it was an exclusive definition?
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Old 09-14-2011, 05:36 PM
 
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It is clear many Obama supporters cannot read and understand the WKA decision.
..... or every congressman, judge, law professor or constitutional scholar either. to date none of them have agreed with your interpretation of WKA.
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Old 09-14-2011, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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..... or every congressman, judge, law professor or constitutional scholar either. to date none of them have agreed with your interpretation of WKA.
Was Obama Senior a permanent resident in the US?
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Old 09-14-2011, 06:18 PM
 
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Was Obama Senior a permanent resident in the US?
no. common knowledge long before the 2008 campaign. yet not a single congressman, judge, law professor or constitutional scholar stated then or now that obama was ineligible because of WKA or minor v happersett.

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Old 09-14-2011, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Did you get that off Ancestry.com's website?
No. The Social Security Death Index.
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Old 09-14-2011, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Do we know if Obama's mother was in Conn. at any time?
No. She does not appear to have been anywhere near Connecticut.

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Or is the clerical error what caused the discrepency?
Given the fact that the single digit typo is at the beginning of the zip code, there is a one in 10,000 change of there being any other possible explanation.
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Old 09-14-2011, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Obama's father never obtained permanent domicil and residence in the United States.
It doesn't matter.

As long as he was born on US soil, and was not the child of a foreign diplomat or alien army in hostile occupation, he is a natural born US citizen.
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Old 09-14-2011, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Justice Gray:

"The Amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States."

again..Obama's father was never domiciled.
Justice Gray:

"The real object of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, in qualifying the words, "All persons born in the United States" by the addition "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," would appear to have been to exclude, by the fewest and fittest words (besides children of members of the Indian tribes, standing in a peculiar relation to the National Government, unknown to the common law), the two classes of cases -- children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign State -- both of which, as has already been shown, by the law of England and by our own law from the time of the first settlement of the English colonies in America, had been recognized exceptions to the fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the country."

Domicile has nothing to do with it.
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Old 09-14-2011, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Montgomery Village
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OMG Dragging Canoe. Do not start this foolishness again. Everyone is still laughing at you.
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