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Old 05-22-2010, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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so now your problem with the military is suicides? So we have suicides, DADT, lack of after combat support in previous wars, wars or combat that are not in defense of the country (can see that for Korea, Vietnam, and Bosnia/Kosovo), PTSD (even though civilians get PTSD as well), homelessness and drug addiction (didn't know I was homeless and addicted to drugs other than coffee). Seems many parts of the country have homeless problem and few of them are tied directly to the military. The country has a problem with drug addiction and most of them never served a day in the military. Don't jump on the military's case for wars that weren't in defense of the country, that's the President and Congress's fault so take it up with them. DADT was signed into law by President Clinton. You have a problem with DADT, get Congress and the President to get rid of the law. Support after war has improved but can be better. Again, not the fault of the soldier. I wonder why suicides go up in the military during war? Well, it's kind of stressful enviroment to be in and not everyone can deal with such situations. People in all walks of life commit suicide and have nothing to do with combat. If you think you know the solution to people attempting suicide, feel free to let the medical community in on your great break through discovery cause high schools, colleges, and high stress job enviroments would love to get the answer to this problem.
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Old 05-22-2010, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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A Libertarian in Berkeley by Anthony Gregory

Conservatives and Libertarians go to Berkeley to you know?
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Old 05-22-2010, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Yes they are. They just express it in a different way, for example, by not loudly screaming their blame on an entire religion or nationality.
So when UC Berkeley has a protest to show support for Hamas and Palestinian terrorist organizations in opposition to Israel they are not showing support for islamic terrorist? So when San Francisco and other cities say they are a sanctuary city that will not allow it's officers to enforce the nation's immigration laws and in some cases, violate other laws by issuing state ID cards to illegal aliens that doesn't show support for illegal aliens which includes Mexican drug gangs? Really?
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Old 05-22-2010, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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A Libertarian in Berkeley by Anthony Gregory

Conservatives and Libertarians go to Berkeley to you know?
The majority of Berkeley's City council and their mayor were re-elected AFTER the council and mayor told the US Marines they were unwanted and unwelcomed intruders to their city and gave full protest benefits to Code Pink for free right in front of the Marine recruiting office doors (even vandalized it a few times). It's one thing for some loud nutjobs in a city to do such things. It's completely different when elected city officials do this AND get re-elected after doing such stupidity. At least Toledo got rid of their embarassing mayor who also hated the Marines.
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Old 05-22-2010, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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So when UC Berkeley has a protest to show support for Hamas and Palestinian terrorist organizations in opposition to Israel they are not showing support for islamic terrorist? So when San Francisco and other cities say they are a sanctuary city that will not allow it's officers to enforce the nation's immigration laws and in some cases, violate other laws by issuing state ID cards to illegal aliens that doesn't show support for illegal aliens which includes Mexican drug gangs? Really?
What is the difference between Palestinian "terrorists" and the French Resistance in WWII? And Hungarians and Czechs who fought against Soviet tanks, and Afghans who resisted Soviet occupation, and the terrorists in Algiers who opposed France?

By the way, UC Berkeley doesn't "have" protests, they tolerate protests, as the US Constitution obliges them to do.

And what does any of this have to do with the topic?
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Old 05-22-2010, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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What is the difference between Palestinian "terrorists" and the French Underground in WWII? And Hungarians and Czechs who fought against Soviet tanks, and Afghans who resisted Soviet occupation, and the terrorists in Algiers who opposed France?
One targets school children at school, at a bus stop, in a toy store, or in a restaurant with a suicide bomb while the others didn't.
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Old 05-22-2010, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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One targets school children at school, at a bus stop, in a toy store, or in a restaurant with a suicide bomb while the others didn't.
Are you sure the others didn't?

A nation that killed a million civilians in Vietnam is a fine one to whine about that.
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Old 05-22-2010, 06:49 PM
 
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so now your problem with the military is suicides? So we have suicides, DADT, lack of after combat support in previous wars, wars or combat that are not in defense of the country (can see that for Korea, Vietnam, and Bosnia/Kosovo), PTSD (even though civilians get PTSD as well), homelessness and drug addiction (didn't know I was homeless and addicted to drugs other than coffee). Seems many parts of the country have homeless problem and few of them are tied directly to the military. The country has a problem with drug addiction and most of them never served a day in the military. Don't jump on the military's case for wars that weren't in defense of the country, that's the President and Congress's fault so take it up with them. DADT was signed into law by President Clinton. You have a problem with DADT, get Congress and the President to get rid of the law. Support after war has improved but can be better. Again, not the fault of the soldier. I wonder why suicides go up in the military during war? Well, it's kind of stressful enviroment to be in and not everyone can deal with such situations. People in all walks of life commit suicide and have nothing to do with combat. If you think you know the solution to people attempting suicide, feel free to let the medical community in on your great break through discovery cause high schools, colleges, and high stress job enviroments would love to get the answer to this problem.

Start over. Go back and read what I wrote.

The only way that you can deal with me is if you insist that my problem is with the soldiers.

Try again.

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Approximately 1/3 of homeless adults (one out of every three) in this country
are veterans, yet veterans represent only 11% of the civilian population. On
any given night 154,000 - 300,000 veterans are homeless. Based on various
estimates, 500,000 - 840,000 veterans are homeless at some time during the
year. It has been estimated that Iraq & Afghanistan veterans represent 1.8%
of the homeless veteran population. In 2008, 44% of those surveyed reported
being homeless for the first time. This number was 37% in 2007. According
to the Department of Veterans Affairs the number of homeless Vietnam era
veterans exceeds the number of fatalities that occurred during the war.

http://www.standown.org/homeless.html

I ask again, is this information included in recruitment? Why IS that?

Last edited by Pandamonium; 05-22-2010 at 06:51 PM.. Reason: Links are nice.
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Old 05-22-2010, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Are you sure the others didn't?

A nation that killed a million civilians in Vietnam is a fine one to whine about that.
And how many more did the communist of North Vietnam kill once the US military left Vietnam in the killing fields and re-education camps?
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Old 05-22-2010, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Start over. Go back and read what I wrote.

The only way that you can deal with me is if you insist that my problem is with the soldiers.

Try again.


Stand Down's Information Page about Homeless Veterans

I ask again, is this information included in recruitment? Why IS that?
If your link is correct in it's numbers then please explain this to me. Why is it that only 33% of the homeless veterans served in combat if combat and PTSD is one of the leading causes of military veteran homelessness and drug addiction? Some veterans get kicked out of the military for various reasons including theft and drugs. Some go into the military already a hard drinker and their drinking just never stopped. It's too easy to blame "the military" as one blanket source of veteran problems. When working at the water plant, I had to deal with the homeless who hung out in the bushes near one of our water wells. Several claimed to be veterans. Some weren't and some were kicked out of the military and it was always "not their fault" or "someone didn't like me" or "someone got me kicked out". Not saying all homeless veterans are this way but there are some like that out there. Is it the military's fault if a veteran lost his job and lost his home? Is it the military's fault if a veteran kicked out of the military is now homeless? In many of those cases, if you dig down deep, you'll find that they became homeless through no fault of anything the military did to them. All of those types of veterans are doing a disservice to those veterans who really are dealing with several mental and physical problems they suffered from combat experiences and injuries. For those who are sufferering from mental and physical problems from combat, go get help where ever you can. For those that aren't, no sympathy from me.
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