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Old 05-24-2010, 01:00 PM
 
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Yes they are. They just express it in a different way, for example, by not screaming loudly about how Every Muslim is a Terrorist, or Every Mexican is Zeta.

Don't forget every cop is a pig. Revenue collector, isn't that what you have called cops?
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:04 PM
 
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Because you're to do it yourself. Its part of making an informed decision. Its not the military recruiters job to coddle you. Those guys often will seek out a recruiter on their own....Its a voluntary service, remember?




Oh yes, because every single person in the military should be officers. Yes, that will work superbly. Everyone will be an officer and try to delegate everything else to the other officers.

Based on your post I seriously doubt you've had any experience with the military itself OR its members. You seem to know nothing about how things work within the ranks. Furthermore, not everyone is college material, not everyone even wants to go to college. Alot of the boys I graduated with wanted to go into the military right after high school, and they're making it a career. You act as if these 18 year olds are being forced into the military. Nobody forces them, and HELLO! Its 2010. They are more than able to do their research before making a decision.
So then why did they have to pass the soloman act or the military recruitment portion of the no child left behind act. If its all voulentary and the high schoolers just go down to the recruiters office of their own free will. 18 yr olds are still impressionable and alot of them dont know what they want to do and the problem with the military is once you join its VERY hard to get out. Military recruitment has had a long time to nail down the phycological game of getting people to join and its not a black and white thing its very gray and thats why alot of people dislike them.
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:05 PM
 
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How many of those are the names of children who were shot in front of their parents?

Meanwhile, are the lists of the 3,000 Chileans who were either executed or simply disappeared and are still missing, at the hands of our good friend, the kind Mr. Pinochet, whom Henry Kissinger appointed to kill every Chilean who dared to speak out against the US puppet government and the American shareholders getting rich in Chile:
Ejecutados
Desaparecidos

In Kissenger's own words, the USA "created the conditions as great as possible" for the death of Allende. Those Chileans who were driven to suicide were the only opponents of Pinochet who were not tortured.
So we didn't assassinated him. Good of you to provide evidence disproving your statement. Thanks again.
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:10 PM
 
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Why is this not included in recruitment?
Ask Obama, isn't he now the Commander In Chief?

Here's a link to his e-mail for you...

Contact the White House | The White House

Let us know his answer...
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Don't forget every cop is a pig. Revenue collector, isn't that what you have called cops?
A large number of cops, maybe most, are regularly assigned to revenue-collecting duties, which are unrelated to public safety or combatting crime. That doesn't make them bad people, they just have a job to do, they have to follow orders, and they have a quota.
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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So we didn't assassinated him. Good of you to provide evidence disproving your statement. Thanks again.
You will so blindly support every single thing the US government does, and sanitize it with exculpatory euphemisms, you would object to calling it assassination if Kissinger had said "I only pulled the trigger. After that I had no control over where the bullet went or what it did."

Don't you EVER think the US government does ANYthing wrong?
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:37 PM
 
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A large number of cops, maybe most, are regularly assigned to revenue-collecting duties, which are unrelated to public safety or combatting crime. That doesn't make them bad people, they just have a job to do, they have to follow orders, and they have a quota.
I thought you rode the bus everywhere you went...So if it's true why are you so concerned about it?
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:38 PM
 
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Recruiters are the biggest minimizers there are, thats why some areas hate them, yea you will get to see "forigen lands" but not in the way that a 18 year old is thinking and the recruiter wont tell you that.
I don't think that they are evil. They are there to sell. I am quite sure that there would be severe repercussions if they sat down and said, Hey guess what? Again, it isn't the individuals it is the policy.

I meet kids who have this very clear direction and this is their dream by the age of 16. I meet kids that truly do not see anyway out of where they are at. They view this as their only option. They view this as a second chance at life. Ok.

These kids will go to.
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:39 PM
 
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Ask Obama, isn't he now the Commander In Chief?

Here's a link to his e-mail for you...

Contact the White House | The White House

Let us know his answer...
Why don't you come up with a legitimate debate?
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Old 05-24-2010, 01:41 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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I have been serving the country for the last 32 years of my life and will be officially retired on 1 June this year.

This is my take on this after also being in about 25 countries and about 25 countries. Every country priorities are their national interests. What does that mean? Many things. Some of them are their national ideology, their world enemies, their military strenght, their allies, their economic interests, etc.

To me it is narrow minded to simply see that we are in Irak killing inocent people. There is a lot more behind decisions like that to make a simplistic assesment. Do I agree with the decision to go to war over there? With hindsight vision I will say no. The answer may be more clear maybe 20, 30 or more years later and either Bush will remain a devil or may be vindicated.

Some small countries may not have the military might to defend themselves against their enemies. What to do? Have a pact with more powerful nations to defend their national interests against more powerful enemies. So if a nation does have a powerful enemy and it has some critical strategic or economical interest the US has eyes on, that nation may decide to sign a pact with the US for protection against that common enemy. The trade off? To provide some type of strategic cooperation, some commodity we do not have, etc. So when the moment comes to respond it may look like we have no reason to go somewhere with our military might.
We can very well isolate ourselves and not meddle in affairs in other parts of the world. Eventually that will hurt us. The world power cannot stay alone for too long. It will be pulled into some type of conflict somewhere.

It is very easy for us to simply judge decisions by our leaders without really having the full picture behind closed doors as we deal with threats, world leaders, economic national pressures, etc.
I am not saying our leaders always make the right decisions. They are human and some ARE uncaring but that comes with the territory. Not all our leaders will be good.

There is a political science saying I read about ten years ago that tome is very true in the world political arena:
Friendship binds men but national interests binds countries.

In the end it is self preservation. It is no different at the individual level. We take care of number one first. Often if anyone feels his safety, security, well being are threatened that anyone will often take some type of response to protect his individual interests. Nations are no different.

As far as the accusation that we are simply brainwashed trained killer is also very narrow minded and a very simplistic accusation. We Soldiers do have a conscience and have certain moral and ethical standards we have to abide by.
A nation does have an Army to protect not only national interests which are many. I as a Soldier can be a moral individual how I act while performing my duties as a Soldier even if the decision to go to war may not be the correct one. The decision maker is responsible for his decisions at his level and I am responsible for mine at my level.
To think that we can vote to what war I want to go and fight for as a Soldier goes against the security of our nation. An Army cannot be an efficient force if we have to ask Soldiers if they like the war we are told to go to. Might as well simply not have an Army. If we did not have a standing Army and a national emergency arises the consequences can be very grave. History shows the grave consequences for not having a ready and trained military force to react.
Jtur88 seem to be a very idealistic individual and socialistic views I do not share. Utopias are great to dream and maybe even word on but in the real world those utopias can be very costly also. He seems to see himself in the high moral pedestal. Well, I will say this. I am glad that I and thousands of others wear the uniform at possible risk to our lives so he can have the freedom to say how immoral we are and call us whatever he wants. In some ways his put down comments on us wearing the uniform are actually a praise because we are being a factor on preserving his right to speak up anyways he wants even if it is, in my opinion, so narrow minded and simplistic and despective. Actually, he is necessary because people like him do help our leaders and others check themselves on what they are doing. For that I do appreciate his expressing his views.

You have a great day.
El Amigo
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