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The more I think of it and read into the stories of Jesus, the more I think the guy would be anatagonized as some socialist whacko by today's right.
Please tell me where in the Bible Jesus says its the Governments job to take from some to give to others?!?! Its not there. Jesus didnt preach social justice.
That being said, there was teachings of helping and giving to the poor. But that is completely different than the government playing Robin Hood. The Bible also teaches to basically get off your butt and work, not to sit and expect handouts.
That being said, there was teachings of helping and giving to the poor. But that is completely different than the government playing Robin Hood. The Bible also teaches to basically get off your butt and work, not to sit and expect handouts.
maybe your church doesnt stress that New Testament stuff
or maybe "and you will have treasure in Heaven" rings a stronger bell?
How do you think the rich get rich, Cyber Queen? Especially in those days.
Also -- you make Him sound like a Commie
No one said he liked or disliked the rich. Re the greedy and cruel, you said earlier that he "loved EVERYONE"
He does love everyone, He can not like the choices you make but He still loves you. I love my sons, even when they get into trouble. Jesus wanted us to help those less fortunate but I highly doubt He wanted us to become one of the poor doing it. With threads like this people try to pin Christians down on exactly what Jesus wanted and that is impossible to know. In my Church we are taught to help those less fortunate but not at the expense of myself or my family. Why would Jesus want me to actually become poor so that I am now unable to help neither myself or anyone else? Makes no sense. And who is the one that decides how much money is "enough"?
Anyone that speaks as if they are 100% sure what Jesus wanted in every situation is wrong. None of us know for sure, as I said in my very first post it is all about how you interpret it. That goes for the OP link also.
The more I think of it and read into the stories of Jesus, the more I think the guy would be anatagonized as some socialist whacko by today's right.
Yes, He would be. It is not surprising that I hear very few sermons on Jesus' preachings in the churches. Most stick to "God", and as in the Old Testament. Christianity, at least in America, has become more about Moses' God, than about Jesus Christ, and what you say above, probably has a lot to do with it. At the same time, a lot of pastors from smaller churches, also believe what you just said. Jesus was a humanitarian first, a guru with a take on the world that is a lot more divine than anything one would find in the Old Testament.
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Originally Posted by arctichomesteader
The far left's hatred of religion, by and large, is likely the reason Christians tend to be more conservative.
Jesus wasn't a big fan of religiosity either. He got on the nerves of the priests rather easily. His belief in God was very personal, and He practiced something talk-aloud Christians can't... connect with God in his own time and in complete isolation.
Whew! I'm so glad you guys sorted all this out for us "Christians".
Thank you! (and with a little correction to your post).
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Originally Posted by nmnita
oh come on, you can take the Bible and interpret it many ways..You don't totally know what you are talking about. As for liberal versus conservative and being Christian, there are many liberals that are Christians and many Christians that are Republican. Talking about being selective, aren't you doing the same plus generalizing.
Nita
And then you prefer to stick with ONE interpretation, one that you want to hear. But, how exactly do you interpret the Bible? Could you give us concrete examples?
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Originally Posted by Cyber Queen
I am not sure what Bible you are quoting because it is not in the King James Version...
It does not say that being rich is a bad thing, what IS a bad thing is if you get rich off the backs of the poor.
Thanks for proving my points. You went back to the Old Testament. I dare you to quote Jesus, the basis for Christianity. If we were talking Judaism or even Islam, we could probably stick with the Old.
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Originally Posted by BucsLose
Please tell me where in the Bible Jesus says its the Governments job to take from some to give to others?!?! Its not there. Jesus didnt preach social justice.
Jesus never put a price tag on people. He did ask the rich to give up everything, to the poor. As for the government, He got as close to your nightmare, as He could, considering the government of His day, with his response on paying taxes. Do you need specific verses from the Bible to help you out?
Thanks for proving my points. You went back to the Old Testament. I dare you to quote Jesus, the basis for Christianity. If we were talking Judaism or even Islam, we could probably stick with the Old.
The viewpoint of most people with respect to money is not correct including the viewpoint of many Christians who think they are following the Bible’s teachings. The relationship we have with our money (compared to our relationship with God) is what is important. You see, God wants to remove anything that gets in the way of a personal relationship with Him that does not mean he wants us poor. It clearly states many times in the Bible that if you do good things you will be rewarded.
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Mark 10:29-30 (New King James Version)
29 So Jesus answered and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife[a] or children or lands, for My sake and the gospel’s, 30 who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time—houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions—and in the age to come, eternal life.
Matthew 6:31-34
31 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
Now here what Jesus is saying is that if you give up everything you have for HIM not the poor you will be rewarded both here and in Heaven. Jesus wanted us to prosper but not forget the poor and not put money above Him. The Bible refers to money more often than it refers to faith, praying, and love combined. The reason is straightforward—God does not want you focusing on or worrying about money instead of Him, so He wants your finances to be in order that does not mean being poor or making yourself poor by giving it to others.
Jesus did not want us all desuetude, He wanted us to prosper but not put our wealth above Him or others.
I hope this helps a bit. I have no desire to get into a pissing contest about what you or anyone else thinks Jesus meant I just an trying to show you scriptures that contradict what some are saying.
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