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Old 06-09-2010, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Actually, that's certain nonsense. The reason we have a Representative Republic instead of a Direct Democracy was because they wanted an order too rigid to easily change based on popular whim or mob emotion.
In other words they knew that Direct Democracy would lead to mob rule so they avoided it. True or not?
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Old 06-09-2010, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Washington's mentioning of "Providence" is indistinguishable from the pagan conception of "Fate."
That has a severe progressive sound to it so I will take it for granted that you are probably one of them. What can you tell me about what the CPUSA is talking about these days?
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Old 06-09-2010, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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2nd Paragraph.
I will take a peek since I have to only peek because I feel fighting progressives and communists is more important than proving Washington wasn't a Christian. I think they have convinced enough people of that but I am not about to be one of them. Maybe you need to work on someone else.
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Old 06-09-2010, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Surely supreme being and providence couldn't possibly the same thing in the mind of any progressive or other anti-Christian, could they? To me they are the same thing.
It does not matter what they are to you. It matters what they were to Washington.

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These arguments about Washington never admitting to being a Christian just sound like progressive Pelosi trying to convince people that he was not a Christian. BTW, did I say somewhere that he mentioned Jesus anywhere?
When has Pelosi ever mentioned Washington's religion?

You have tried to make the case that Washington was a Christian. But in order to make the claim, you have had to resort to pious fraud. It's not entirely your fault, because most of the pious frauds were invented long ago by other people trying hard to prove that Washington was something the real record cannot support.

A Christian.
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Old 06-09-2010, 04:30 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Media Matters, the Puffington Post, and MSNBC, are just propaganda, talking heads.

You have to spend your way out of debt?
You ain't got no gold, dude! Good luck with that.
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Old 06-09-2010, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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In other words they knew that Direct Democracy would lead to mob rule so they avoided it. True or not?
It depends on what you mean by "mob rule." They spoke of wanting to avoid the "tyranny of the majority," not "anarchy."
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Old 06-09-2010, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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That has a severe progressive sound to it so I will take it for granted that you are probably one of them. What can you tell me about what the CPUSA is talking about these days?
Yawn.

You surrender the field too easily. Actonbell was much more of a pit-bull than you are. I'm thinking you're more of a Chinese crested.
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Old 06-09-2010, 04:49 PM
 
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Nelly's recollections are fascinating. However, in at least one area they are rather dramatically contradicted by Washington's own records.

Nelly writes that:

His own diaries show instead that he attended church, on average, only about twelve times a year.The Diaries of George Washington
Which particular reference in the diary are you referring to? Also, her comments appear to be a general account, not a specified number to contest. As she stated, as weather and road permitted. Considering it was a 2-3 hour ride, 12 times a year is rather a good account and unless his diary has some other contest, that is not what I would call "dramatic".

There is a lot of supporting evidence concerning him being a Christian, though I am unsure why people are so adamant about proclaiming him otherwise. /shrug
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Old 06-09-2010, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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What you say is very true but did you notice the publishing dates of all Nomander's sources? In case you didn't maybe you should see that all came before the progressives really got started.
For as long as human beings have been thinking about society, there have been progressives and conservatives (and thinkers who don't neatly fit either category.)

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It is them that want to make sure we don't believe Washington was a Christian.
I couldn't give two hoots less if Washington was a Christian. If it were proven he was, would that change the meaning of the Establishment Clause? It would not.

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The more I look at the progressive situation the more I realize that the Democrats are about to explode with the progressives against the rest of the party. I am now listening to Beck and am more convinced than ever.
Keep listening to Beck. I mean, his predictions were so on-the-ball in 2006 and 2008!
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Old 06-09-2010, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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How much of the American torture of the early 21st century came from the mouths of men who they released from Gitmo, when in fact little torture had been used? Much of that that we had to live with from Iraq, itself, came from lies by the media, Bush enemies and others who were against the US accomplishing anything.

I wish they had tortured a few more anti-Bushies so they could see how much they were duped by the Muslims and the media.
Really?

Former President George W. Bush: We waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed, and I'd 'do it again'
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