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The thing I take away from these guys is that they write these theories about how "all" women are, but in reality it's just the portion of women, more likely the women they pick out to interact with. A shallow, vain, empty-headed, or broken women might play certain games, might hop from guy to guy, might fall for their tricks, but plenty of other women wouldn't.
These men will feel like a "success" with women, because they've been able to exploit the weaknesses of some, or attract women who are as silly and as shallow as they are. Some guys may decide later on that they want someone "better," someone with a head on their shoulders, someone not so shallow, but will then discover that they can't find them—or they'll claim that they don't exist. (No, they exist, they just won't have anything to do with these guys.)
You can't attract someone with a higher character when you yourself don't have that quality. Others on this thread have asked, "What do these guys bring to the table?" and that's an excellent question. These guys have a terrible attitude—you read the blogs—they think women are stupid, designed by nature to be submissive, shouldn't be educated, should be domineered and "guided" by men ("overlords") and what decent woman will put up with that? You could be the most conservatively-raised and old-fashioned woman in the world and you would know better than to tolerate that. It's about stripping your humanity away from you, and allowing it to be done by someone who is ignorant, arrogant, simple-minded, emotionally stunted . . . no one who is emotionally healthy wants that.
I'll be honest in that I'm no prize myself. You could fill a book with my insecurities, quirks, and dysfunctions. I wouldn't call myself emotionally healthy in the slightest.
That being said, there are limits to my dysfunctions and at when it is all said and done I like women. Well, I suppose you can say that I don't think any less of them than I would of men. There are good ones, bad ones, smart ones, dumb ones, and everything in between. I have always preferred women with character and when I do come across a fragile woman with insecurities my instincts are more protective rather than "Hey, maybe I can browbeat her into letting me f--k her".
I've haven't had as much success with women as I would like, but the successes I have had make me feel better about myself because they have happened for the right reasons. They happened because they have found me attractive or funny or good person to be around. I prefer to be with a woman who is with me because I make her feel good about herself and not because I played head games with someone who is emotionally vulnerable.
I've haven't had as much success with women as I would like, but the successes I have had make me feel better about myself because they have happened for the right reasons. They happened because they have found me attractive or funny or good person to be around. I prefer to be with a woman who is with me because I make her feel good about herself and not because I played head games with someone who is emotionally vulnerable.
That makes you sound like a rather "normal" person.
We all are dysfunctional and a bit off, in fact I'd say that's "normal." But the instinct to treat a fellow human being, in particular one that you have a romantic connection with, as someone you like and respect, rather than an adversary or the enemy, is VERY healthy.
You're skewing things terribly and making it sound like a large portion of men go for these non-traditional women. Tell me, how many blockbuster films have a fat girl as the heroine? How many mainstream romance films? How many covers of Sports Illustrated show a bigger woman over 45? Get real.
A larger segment of men, perhaps 40% of the male population, likes one kind of woman. Things like Sports Illustrated are mass market so they go for the largest market interest, which is men who like swimsuit model types. But, there are plenty of alternative markets for men who like larger women, older women etc as pornography proves.
Again, where is there any evidence for a market existing for women interested in shorter, scrawnier etc men? No such evidence exist because women generally do not like that type. Why is that so hard to understand?
40% of men may find a Hannah Ferguson type attractive. Another 10% may go for an older woman, another 10% for a larger woman etc.
But about 98% of women want the same kind of man...tall, just muscular enough, etc.
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All the time. No, the nerd guys won't probably be heroes in blockbuster romance or action films, but they are considered cute, nonetheless.
This 5'5" guy has always been cute to me. How does he get work? Johnny Galecki - IMDb
Being rich and famous can make women ignore the lack of sex appeal and see only the money and fame. That is exactly what I'm talking about: they like a man DESPITE what he is and not BECAUSE of it.
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What do you want? Love for your fleeting sex appeal, which evaporates when you start to wear dentures and Depends, or love for you? You seem to think that being desired for sexiness (physical, outward) is the ultimate. It's nice, sure, but it's not everything and it would be sad if that is all there ever would be. That's the fear many beautiful women have. Does he care about me, or will I be replaced with a younger model some day? You want a slice of that? Really?
That's a fallacy. You don't just need one or the other, why not both? A larger woman can find a man who is into larger woman who will love her for her sex appeal (to him) and her personality. A shorter or scrawnier man will end up with perhaps a woman who likes his personality but isn't interested in his sex appeal which is non-existent for her.
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This 5'7" guy doesn't really do it for me as far as his physical looks, but he's hilarious and after a while I can really start to fall for him. He does nerds very well. Ben Stiller - IMDb (And I give another example below. There's two examples! )
First, the average height for a man in America is 5'8, so 5'7 isn't even short. Second, again, he's considered interesting because he's funny, nothing more.
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You are accusing women of the same thing that you say women accuse men of all the time: "One size fits all." Women find all kinds of men attractive, just like men find all kinds of women attractive. The minority of men find big, fat, old, women attractive (if it was a more sizable portion, big fat old women would be on the cover of Sports Illustrated, and they're not). And sure, fewer women find skinny, nerdy guys attractive. But these women still exist. Stop acting like they don't.
Because they don't and if they did, for the 50th time, there would be some market for women who like those types. Again, show me ONE love story where the object of the woman's affection is shorter, nerdier, scrawnier etc.
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You're not a woman—how do you know what some women fantasize about? I know of women who find some rather weird-looking actors attractive, just because he was in some movie that they liked or played a character they liked. You don't hear about it because you don't hang around these types of women. I knew a woman who had a thing for Claude Rains. Let me repeat that: CLAUDE RAINS. Here's someone with a blog for Claude Rains: Claude Rains in ‘Phantom of the Opera’ | The Claude Rains Fan Club Can you top Claude Rains? LOL. Come on. There are all types of tastes. You're barking up the wrong tree here.
Oh, this guy?
Yep, he's a nerd alright...
And again, women's fantasies have a market. And I have, again, YET to see one piece of women's erotica in which the man is shorter, scrawnier, etc.
A man who PREFERS larger women is called a "chubby chaser" by some. A man who PREFERS older women is called a "MILF or Cougar hunter" by some. A woman who prefers shorter men is called a...
Actors don't count because the camera can hide how tall someone is. For example, Humphrey Bogart was 5'8 so when he was with a slightly taller actress in Casablanca they had him stand on a box during a kiss scene and used camera angles to make him look taller than her.
When women think about people like Tom Cruise, they're imagining him six two, not his actual height. So movie stars don't count.
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Also, while you're watching chick flicks, you need to watch Shallow Hal. Shallow Hal is the prototype of a PUA group member.
And again, are "Rules Girls" any better than PUA men?
Actors don't count because the camera can hide how tall someone is. For example, Humphrey Bogart was 5'8 so when he was with a slightly taller actress in Casablanca they had him stand on a box during a kiss scene and used camera angles to make him look taller than her.
When women think about people like Tom Cruise, they're imagining him six two, not his actual height. So movie stars don't count.
And again, are "Rules Girls" any better than PUA men?
Where are you getting these wacko ideas? Be honest now, don't bs me.
As for short men, are you trying to tell me that there's a whole population of short men out there not able to get married?
And, a very important question - do you believe that's why you can't find someone? You're short?
Lastly, an attractive man is not immature, whiny, weepy, complaining, silly, doesn't dwell on BS constantly, and doesn't proclaim to the world that he's a victim of life. If that's what PUA groups are teaching you - RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!
A larger segment of men, perhaps 40% of the male population, likes one kind of woman. Things like Sports Illustrated are mass market so they go for the largest market interest, which is men who like swimsuit model types. But, there are plenty of alternative markets for men who like larger women, older women etc as pornography proves.
Again, where is there any evidence for a market existing for women interested in shorter, scrawnier etc men? No such evidence exist because women generally do not like that type. Why is that so hard to understand?
I'm on an iPad, so typing long answers is an ordeal.
But I'll repeat that you're barking up the wrong tree. Women don't consume porn the way men do, I have no clue about where to find "markets" on what women like. I do sometimes read romance novels, and there are stories with non traditional heros. I can think of a Carla Kelly novel with a balding, overweight hero. A Catherine Anderson novel with a short hero. A Jodi Thomas novel with a very ugly hero. These are just off the top of my head. I know there are plenty more.
We don't make "markets" out of these types of heroes, we just read the books. They don't have be their own classification, but they are read and appreciated nonetheless.
And 5'7" is "short" to women who care about height. Not all women care *that* much. Sure, a lot of women might fantasize about the tall hottie, but a flesh-and-blood Johnny Galeki is also very appealing. And I don't think that he's liked just because of his status. He's *cute*. He's a compact hottie. He's taller than me and cute as he can be. He hasn't had the popularity he's had by not being cute. There's no doubt in my mind that many women find him sexy, because I think he's sexy. But what do I know, I'm just a woman! Lol.
Claude Raines is NOT hot. Even that photo you found of him is screaming NOT HOT. He rarely played leading men. I don't see him as sexy, but my my friend did. She also thought he was hot when he was older. Go figure. Another friend had a thing. About actor Anthony James, who played villains a few decades ago. Others liked Henry Silva. (Look them up. NOT HOT.)
And again, are "Rules Girls" any better than PUA men?
I'll ask this again. I'm not defending the Rules girls (as I'm barely familiar with their schtick) but do they claim that men are all stupid, shouldn't have ever gotten the right to vote, shouldn't be educated beyond a certain point, and secretly yearn to be dominated by an "overlord"? These are all things contained within the PUA sites.
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