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I'm on an iPad, so typing long answers is an ordeal.
But I'll repeat that you're barking up the wrong tree. Women don't consume porn the way men do, I have no clue about where to find "markets" on what women like. I do sometimes read romance novels, and there are stories with non traditional heros. I can think of a Carla Kelly novel with a balding, overweight hero. A Catherine Anderson novel with a short hero. A Jodi Thomas novel with a very ugly hero. These are just off the top of my head. I know there are plenty more.
We don't make "markets" out of these types of heroes, we just read the books. They don't have be their own classification, but they are read and appreciated nonetheless.
And 5'7" is "short" to women who care about height. Not all women care *that* much. Sure, a lot of women might fantasize about the tall hottie, but a flesh-and-blood Johnny Galeki is also very appealing. And I don't think that he's liked just because of his status. He's *cute*. He's a compact hottie. He's taller than me and cute as he can be. He hasn't had the popularity he's had by not being cute. There's no doubt in my mind that many women find him sexy, because I think he's sexy. But what do I know, I'm just a woman! Lol.
Claude Raines is NOT hot. Even that photo you found of him is screaming NOT HOT. He rarely played leading men. I don't see him as sexy, but my my friend did. She also thought he was hot when he was older. Go figure. Another friend had a thing. About actor Anthony James, who played villains a few decades ago. Others liked Henry Silva. (Look them up. NOT HOT.)
There are lots of short, delicious men.
Dave Franco! Incredibly yummy and quite short.
Tom Cruise. Looks yummy but is a Scientologist (barf)
I'm on a desktop computer now, so I can answer a few more things:
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Again, where is there any evidence for a market existing for women interested in shorter, scrawnier etc men? No such evidence exist because women generally do not like that type. Why is that so hard to understand?
Women don't have categories of movies, fiction, novels, catering to a single-minded preference for shorter men, not that I know of, but that doesn't mean that women don't like them. I don't know of a category of fiction that singles out taller men either. I do know of stories that specify Native American, Interracial, "Paranormal" (vampires and stuff), Western, "Inspirational" (Christian) and so forth. But we don't, not to my knowledge, single out unique characteristics in men in such a way. But I don't indulge in erotica (maybe it's different there). To a lot of women, romance fiction (anything from G-rated to PG-13, or maybe R-rated in parts) is the closest we get to "erotica." That's what I know and I know it's a huge industry.
What I know from being exposed to these stories is that most of them have a tall handsome fit hero, because that covers the most ground (the way Sports Illustrated covers will feature thin young supermodels) but most women are "open" to other types of heroes and will find them interesting and sexy and BELIEVE that the heroine will find them sexy. Give us an author we like, she'll spin a tale that we'll buy. She'll write the guy as sexy because he IS sexy. Or if not sexy in a traditional sense, "attractive" and compelling, worthy of love and in the end, sexy to the heroine.
We believe this, because we see guys all the time that at first don't seem sexy, but are after time spent with them. That's why Carla Kelly can write a story about an overweight balding hero and her fans will go for it. (I haven't read this story yet—in my "to be read" pile, as I am a fan of Kelly.) I recall Jodi Thomas's novel about the ugly hero. He was such a great guy, who had suffered so much, and by the end of the novel I was in love with him too, as were most readers! He became sexy because of who he was.
This is how a lot of women are wired.
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A man who PREFERS larger women is called a "chubby chaser" by some. A man who PREFERS older women is called a "MILF or Cougar hunter" by some. A woman who prefers shorter men is called a...
Oh, yeah, no such being exists.
You narrow it down to someone who singles out fat women or older women and only wants them. That's fine and all, but that's not how all people select mates. A lot of men and women like various types. They don't "PREFER" fat women or older women, or don't PREFER short men or nerdy men, but they meet someone who is short, old, fat, nerdy, and they are open to finding them sexy, on a case-by-case basis.
I don't single out short men and only short men, but Johnny Galeki is cute! A lot of women are like me. And same for Ben Stiller. He's not tall, a lot of actors aren't tall (and we KNOW this) but we like them, because we get to know them through their films. Are we that stupid that we don't know? A few idiot shallow women might be turned off by seeing an actor in real life and seeing that he's shorter than they imagined, but most of us aren't that stupid.
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Tom Cruise. Looks yummy but is a Scientologist (barf)
Indeed there are a lot of short hotties. Tom Cruise is very well put together, too bad he's a bit nutty. Dave Franco. Didn't know he was short. Don't care! He's attractive anyway.
And, a very important question - do you believe that's why you can't find someone? You're short?
It makes it a lot harder. I'm only 5'2. But I'm also a psychopath and women love psychopaths so it balances out.
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Lastly, an attractive man is not immature, whiny, weepy, complaining, silly, doesn't dwell on BS constantly, and doesn't proclaim to the world that he's a victim of life. If that's what PUA groups are teaching you - RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!
For the last time, I have nothing to do with any pick up people and I couldn't care less what someone with a book to sell has to say.
I'll ask this again. I'm not defending the Rules girls (as I'm barely familiar with their schtick) but do they claim that men are all stupid, shouldn't have ever gotten the right to vote, shouldn't be educated beyond a certain point, and secretly yearn to be dominated by an "overlord"? These are all things contained within the PUA sites.
They claim that men are essentially walking ATM machines that exist to be bled dry until they find one "worth their time".
By the way, she's a sociopath, I can tell. And she's not even a good, philosophical sociopath, but a stupid one. I like to think I'm not in the same category as she is.
I'm on a desktop computer now, so I can answer a few more things:
Women don't have categories of movies, fiction, novels, catering to a single-minded preference for shorter men, not that I know of, but that doesn't mean that women don't like them. I don't know of a category of fiction that singles out taller men either. I do know of stories that specify Native American, Interracial, "Paranormal" (vampires and stuff), Western, "Inspirational" (Christian) and so forth. But we don't, not to my knowledge, single out unique characteristics in men in such a way. But I don't indulge in erotica (maybe it's different there). To a lot of women, romance fiction (anything from G-rated to PG-13, or maybe R-rated in parts) is the closest we get to "erotica." That's what I know and I know it's a huge industry.
What I know from being exposed to these stories is that most of them have a tall handsome fit hero, because that covers the most ground (the way Sports Illustrated covers will feature thin young supermodels) but most women are "open" to other types of heroes and will find them interesting and sexy and BELIEVE that the heroine will find them sexy. Give us an author we like, she'll spin a tale that we'll buy. She'll write the guy as sexy because he IS sexy. Or if not sexy in a traditional sense, "attractive" and compelling, worthy of love and in the end, sexy to the heroine.
We believe this, because we see guys all the time that at first don't seem sexy, but are after time spent with them. That's why Carla Kelly can write a story about an overweight balding hero and her fans will go for it. (I haven't read this story yet—in my "to be read" pile, as I am a fan of Kelly.) I recall Jodi Thomas's novel about the ugly hero. He was such a great guy, who had suffered so much, and by the end of the novel I was in love with him too, as were most readers! He became sexy because of who he was.
Let me say this in a different, simpler way and maybe I'll actually be understood:
Having someone interested in you just for your personality is just as lame as having someone interested in you just for your looks.
A woman who is on a date and realizes that a man can't stop looking at her boobs is in the same position as a man who is on a date with a woman who can't stop laughing at his jokes.
It sucks either way.
Just as it would be lame for a woman who is hot but a man learns to love her personality despite of its flaws, it also sucks to be a man who loved only for his personality and a girl learns to ignore his looks.
They claim that men are essentially walking ATM machines that exist to be bled dry until they find one "worth their time".
Could you find me some quotes that back that up? I have quotes from the PUA blogs that say exactly what I'm claiming.
And even if it is so, it's a horribly cynical attitude, awful, but I'm not sure it's at the same level of saying that someone should never have the right to vote, shouldn't be educated past a certain point, and should be "dominated." Treating someone like an ATM machine still allows the ATM machine to leave and stop spitting out money.
Do you know for a fact that she's a "Rules" girl? She does sound like an idiot, though. (Edit, I read some of her blog. I hate her. What a horrible, horrible person. But we already know that there are bad people out there—both men AND women.)
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Let me say this in a different, simpler way and maybe I'll actually be understood:
Having someone interested in you just for your personality is just as lame as having someone interested in you just for your looks.
That is your interpretation, but I don't think it's so.
Personality lasts. Looks don't.
Who is more likely to stick around? Someone who is mesmerized by your looks (which will change) or someone who likes who you are inside? (Which hopefully won't change, even when you're 80 years old?)
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A woman who is on a date and realizes that a man can't stop looking at her boobs is in the same position as a man who is on a date with a woman who can't stop laughing at his jokes.
It sucks either way.
I explained it rather thoroughly before, gave you names of authors whose books I've enjoyed, and you're just going to blow all of it off.
Women often find a guy sexy AFTER they get to know him, like his personality, his jokes, his other good qualities. The romance novels I mentioned before touched upon that. He didn't seem hot at first, but after she fell in love with him, he was the hottest thing walking. She couldn't remember why she didn't think he was handsome before.
That happens all the time in real life too.
If you want to keep having an axe to grind, to assume that girls ALL think one way, go for it, I am not here to stop you. But a bitter attitude and an expectation of failure (before a girl is even given a chance to know you!) will guarantee you disappointment. And then you can say, "I told you so! No women will ever like me for the way I look!" But you may have sabotaged yourself by having such a hangdog attitude.
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Oh for God's sakes. SO WHAT? Same applies to blonde women, same applies to attractive women, same applies to (fill in here with an endless # of appealing attributes on the planet). SO WHAT? I don't look at height. If there's a 5'1" man who is a genius, and a 5'9" guy who is a genius, you betcha I'll probably go for the taller one. SO WHAT? Would you date a female who is a "little person?" Doubt it very much. SO WHAT?
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It makes it a lot harder. I'm only 5'2. But I'm also a psychopath and women love psychopaths so it balances out.
ALL of life is hard. All of it, not one iota isn't hard. SO WHAT? Some people were born cuter or smarter. SO WHAT?
Why are you complaining about the way life is? If you can't handle it, then become a hermit. Life has always been hard. Grow up and accept it. The rest of us have. The quicker you accept that life is hard, the better you'll be able to deal with it. Is it going to help you if you whine about not having the best of everything? No.
Claude Raines is NOT hot. Even that photo you found of him is screaming NOT HOT. He rarely played leading men. I don't see him as sexy, but my my friend did. She also thought he was hot when he was older. Go figure. Another friend had a thing. About actor Anthony James, who played villains a few decades ago. Others liked Henry Silva. (Look them up. NOT HOT.)
See? A lot of women thought he was hot, or eventually found him so. (I wonder about being married six times, though. ) But by conventional standards, by the standards that victorianpunk is thinking of, Claude Raines is NOT HOT.
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) But by conventional standards, by the standards that victorianpunk is thinking of, Claude Raines is NOT HOT.
