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Old 09-08-2016, 07:17 AM
 
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Appears the trend is to slap an Interstate (or "Future Interstate") number on every 4-lane, controlled access highway in the state.

Too bad for the people in Sanford who tried to get I-140 applied to US 1 after the widening was completed in 1999. They were just too early in asking. If they had waited until now, it probably would have gone through.
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Old 09-08-2016, 11:31 AM
 
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Too bad for the people in Sanford who tried to get I-140 applied to US 1 after the widening was completed in 1999. They were just too early in asking. If they had waited until now, it probably would have gone through.
No, it wouldn't. A big reason I-140 got rejected was because it didn't meet FHWA guidelines for a logical termini. One of the guidelines for an ending point is connection to another interstate, which Sanford lacks. Another guideline is that the ending point be a city/town that carries significant traffic and has a high enough population. Sanford is only roughly 30,000. Goldsboro, having around 36,000, was exempted from that requirement with I-795 because of it having a military base. Sanford doesn't. Greenville has a population of 91,000 so it qualifies as a logical termini.

There are two ways that Sanford can have an interstate. One option is if I-87 was extended along I-40 and US-1 through Sanford and ending at future I-73/I-74 near Rockingham.

The other alternative is if US-421/NC-87/NC-24 became an interstate between I-85 in Greensboro and I-295 in Fayetteville.

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Old 09-08-2016, 11:45 AM
 
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The other alternative is if US-421/NC-87/NC-24 became an interstate between I-85 in Greensboro and I-295 in Fayetteville.
That's what I'm thinking. Would have made more sense to run I-73 or I-74 that way, but that's water under the dam now. Could be a 3-digit derived from 40, 85, or 95. Hey, given how things are going, it's only a matter of time...
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Old 09-08-2016, 12:31 PM
 
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That's what I'm thinking. Would have made more sense to run I-73 or I-74 that way, but that's water under the dam now. Could be a 3-digit derived from 40, 85, or 95. Hey, given how things are going, it's only a matter of time...
That route stands the best chance of getting approved, IMO. It would link Fort Bragg to the Midwest via connections to I-77 in Mount Airy from US-52/Future I-74 in Winston-Salem and to I-81 via I-73 from Greensboro to Roanoke (if VA ever builds their part). That would be more convincing to FHWA than a Raleigh-Rockingham corridor.
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Old 10-01-2016, 03:25 PM
 
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US-264 (potential I-87 spur) between Zebulon and Greenville has been added as part of a new transportation bill that was recently introduced in Congress, known as the "Eastern North Carolina Gateway Act of 2016". The bill also includes another possible I-87 spur, running from US-70/Future I-42 in Kinston to US-64/Future I-87 near Bethel. That route would generally follow the NC-11/US-13 corridors.

https://www.burr.senate.gov/press/re...transportation

Here's a copy of the actual bill:

http://www.burr.senate.gov/imo/media...ille%20hwy.pdf
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Old 10-25-2016, 08:22 AM
 
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"Future I-87" signs are going up along US-17 between Williamston and the Virginia state line. There's no mention of signs going up along US-64. I believe NCDOT is waiting to have I-495/Future I-495 decommissioned between I-440 and I-95 first, which may happen during AASHTO's meeting next month.

New Interstate 87 construction could begin within a decade | Traffic & Transportation | pilotonline.com
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Old 10-25-2016, 08:41 AM
 
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"Future I-87" signs are going up along US-17 between Williamston and the Virginia state line. There's no mention of signs going up along US-64. I believe NCDOT is waiting to have I-495/Future I-495 decommissioned between I-440 and I-95 first, which may happen during AASHTO's meeting next month.

New Interstate 87 construction could begin within a decade | Traffic & Transportation | pilotonline.com
They could very well co-sign current 495 as Future 87. It wouldn't hurt anything.

As far as Future 495, do they actually have to go through a formal process to decommission a not-yet-officially-signed route?
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Old 10-25-2016, 11:08 AM
 
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As far as Future 495, do they actually have to go through a formal process to decommission a not-yet-officially-signed route?
Yes, since Future I-495 was signed off by the FHWA. Also, US-64 is fully signed and officially part of the interstate system as I-495 between I-440 and I-540. That will have to be decommissioned as well and will be the first section to be fully signed as I-87 once AASHTO approves the change.

https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/...2013_12_09.pdf

I guess they could co-sign the two routes, but it would be a bit redundant, IMO, since I-87 will eventually take over I-495's entire length. It would just be more clutter on the signs. NCDOT could reduce even more clutter on the signs by having US-264 end at Zebulon instead of following US-64 to I-440 but I digress...
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Old 10-25-2016, 11:31 AM
 
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Yes, since Future I-495 was signed off by the FHWA. Also, US-64 is fully signed and officially part of the interstate system as I-495 between I-440 and I-540. That will have to be decommissioned as well and will be the first section to be fully signed as I-87 once AASHTO approves the change.

https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/...2013_12_09.pdf

I guess they could co-sign the two routes, but it would be a bit redundant, IMO, since I-87 will eventually take over I-495's entire length. It would just be more clutter on the signs. NCDOT could reduce even more clutter on the signs by having US-264 end at Zebulon instead of following US-64 to I-440 but I digress...
Back in the 90s, I-264 was a toll freeway and was only signed as VA 44. For about a year after they extended the 264 designation east from Norfolk, the road was signed as both VA 44 and I-264. After that year, it was just I-264, while 44 was retired. So it might make sense to co-sign 87 with 495 to allow people to get used to the change... for whatever it's worth on that short stretch of road.

Agree about US 264 in NC. They could give it a semblance of legitimacy by signing it through Knightdale and ending it at 440, while the bypass keeps 64. But I've partially given up on NCDOT's numbering, especially after what they've conjured with the freeways in Greensboro.
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Old 10-25-2016, 12:17 PM
 
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Agree about US 264 in NC.
In 1932 when US 264 was created, its western end was at Zebulon. The extension to Raleigh came in 1997, for political reasons I assume.

By the way, between 1941 and 1952, the highway between Durham and Wake Forest was NC 264. It was renumbered NC 98 in 1952. In the war years NC 264 continued from Wake Forest to Zebulon over what's now NC 96. Clearly there was intent at that time to bring US 264 into Durham, but for whatever reason it never happened.
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