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My sister had a kidney infection that was not resolving with oral antibiotics, so her doctor told her to go to the ER to get iv antibiotics as her gfr had dropped to 25 (60 is normal). She waited 7 hours and finally gave up as she watched one respiratory failure after another get triaged in front of her. I guess she needed to go into full blown kidney failure and need dialysis before they would move her up in the queue. Hospitals are full of sick Covid patients, who are crowding out others who need care. This is happening all over the countey, and contrary to your opinion it is a big deal and a big problem.
When in the past year have I said it's not a big deal? Fully admit that for a good chunk of 2020 I was skeptical due to the political climate, but that has changed.
You can think Covid is a big deal and still think the way we're reporting, educating, and acting is a problem.
I’m sad to hear that STL. I hope for your wife and kid’s sake they reconsider, although to your point they probably won’t.
I lost my mom unexpectedly 5 years ago earlier this month and there isn’t a day that goes by that I wish I could ask her for advice or send her pics of my kids (and she never met my sister’s two kids) or give her updates on how the kids are making out in school/life.
If I recall correctly you and or your family are from So. Illinois, which is where my dad’s family is. He said when he was in town last week that all his cousins who are still there share things on Facebook similarly to what you lay out above. No precautions. It’s fake. Yada yada yada.
Yeah, it depends where you’re at there. More rural counties most definitely the attitude. My wife’s family is from Georgia and have been “COVID is a manufactured government compliance exercise” since day one. My family back in the STL Metro East all got vaccinated in April. Not messing around.
I'd like those who think this vaccine is a manufactured government compliance excuse to explain why they don't think it already occurred with other vaccines like:
I mean, why didn't the government take the opportunity previously with any of those other vaccines that everyone got? What makes *this* vaccine so special? And there are 4 or 5 different vaccines for covid circulating worldwide, so which one(s) are the "compliance vaccine?"
I'd like those who think this vaccine is a manufactured government compliance excuse to explain why they don't think it already occurred with other vaccines like:
I mean, why didn't the government take the opportunity previously with any of those other vaccines that everyone got? What makes *this* vaccine so special? And there are 4 or 5 different vaccines for covid circulating worldwide, so which one(s) are the "compliance vaccine?"
I think it has to do with the political climate being an absolute disaster these days, which we can likely at least partially thank social media for. And this is on both sides on the aisle.
in the last 2 months, ~617K in NC have gotten their first shot - and that's months after everyone was eligible. Now, for us "pro-vax" folks, that's still way too low. But what if it was presented optimistically? "You are not alone."
There is a very small cadre of long-time "anti-vaxxers". They may have shown, over time, to exhibit behaviors just like you describe. But I for one am not ready to assume there's some multiple of that that are now suddenly anti-vax.
I do believe there's a strong contingent of "I had/think I had Covid, so I'm good to go." Whether that's accurate (lasting immunity) or not hasn't been shown. I googled and read a few articles, and there was nothing data-driven telling me immunity wanes among the < 65 crowd or the vaccine provides better immunity.
Your logic (or my logic) may not penetrate, but the question is what logic are they using?
Undoubtedly, there's some hardcore folks that have read confirmation-bias stories and so they aren't getting vaxxed. I just don't have any reason to believe that's ~ 30% of the adult population. Heck, we're probably ALL college-educated here, so it's no surprise we've gotten vaxxed at the highest rate of any demographic. But if we shove "see, we're smarter than you!" or "You're welcome, I'm vaxxed!" at the HS dropouts and HS degree holders (who trail us by 20 points) that are the majority of citizens, we're probably not going to make progress. We've got to understand why they haven't.
I agree with you.
I don’t think anything will convince the Q crowd or the true anti-vaccine crowd.
But, what about all the others? They need something more from everyone around them than “get a vaccine, dummy!”
I was talking to a woman recently who is not vaxxed because she’s scared of needles.
I mean, how can she be convinced that being on a ventilator or being the cause of someone else being on one is worse than a quick needle poke?
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I think also for a lot of people it's still just hard to believe that we could have a pandemic like this with our modern medicine.
For people living in less populated areas, or not near hospitals, who maybe don't spend much time watching the news and never did much traveling, I can see why it's still hard for them to take this seriously. Unless they see people literally dying on their lawns or until they themselves suffer from it, they won't take it seriously.
I don't know that there are many people who take COVID very seriously but even now don't think they should get the vaccine.
I was talking to a woman recently who is not vaxxed because she’s scared of needles.
I mean, how can she be convinced that being on a ventilator or being the cause of someone else being on one is worse than a quick needle poke?
She needs a solution to not feeling a needle. And there is one. Some lidocaine cream 5%, available at any drugstore OTC. She can slather some on whatever arm she decides she's going to get injected, put it on and around the area where they will inject, do it 1 hr before appointment time and let it stay on, and she won't feel a thing. The needles are so thin that it doesn't hurt even without any numbing. But, at least there's a reasonable way to assuage fear of a needle prick.
She needs a solution to not feeling a needle. And there is one. Some lidocaine cream 5%, available at any drugstore OTC. She can slather some on whatever arm she decides she's going to get injected, put it on and around the area where they will inject, do it 1 hr before appointment time and let it stay on, and she won't feel a thing. The needles are so thin that it doesn't hurt even without any numbing. But, at least there's a reasonable way to assuage fear of a needle prick.
I think there's a little more to it than that. Some people pass out or go into panic just at the sight of a needle, it doesn't really have anything to do with the pain. It's a phobia.
I think there's a little more to it than that. Some people pass out or go into panic just at the sight of a needle, it doesn't really have anything to do with the pain. It's a phobia.
I’ve heard from friends that there are doctors who will give you a Valium and some local anesthesia, after which you won’t object to them cutting open your coin purse.
Perhaps that approach would work for the people who have fears of needles?
2:30 p.m.
Duke University announced new COVID-19 protocols on Monday due to a "surge" in cases last week.
The new protocols were announced in an email to students.
The email said that last week alone, 304 undergraduates, 45 graduate students and 15 employees tested positive for COVID-19. The week prior, 95 students and 18 faculty tested positive.
All but eight of the people were vaccinated, the university said, and the vast majority were asymptomatic.
"Nonetheless, this surge is placing significant stress on the people, systems and facilities" that are dedicated to keeping the community safe, the email said.
For that reason, the university announced the following protocols:
Masks will now be required on the Duke Campus in all indoor and outdoor locations, unless you are exercising alone, eating or drinking or otherwise not around others
Indoor group seating at Duke Dining facilities will be temporarily suspended
Faculty teaching undergraduate courses have the option to teach remotely for the next two weeks if they prefer
So this is exactly what I was referring to earlier about how we'll never get out of this regardless of how many are vaccinated, due to unreasonable fear. Duke is literally almost 100% vaccinated and the majority of positives are asymptomatic. How do these new "protocols" make any sense whatsoever?
We are screwed. Something needs to change.
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