Do most men objectify women? Can women help but feed this? (older, personalities)

[Trimac20]

Originally Posted by JetJockey

Even very smart, 'thinking' men will generally still go for the hot chick over a woman he actually has something in common with. There's a very good looking, well known astrophysicist that's married to a hot fashion blogger...

Personally, I think Tina fey is hot

Well...well...depends what 'go for' means...I know plenty of educated, wealthy, even good looking guys married to women who are plain but very intelligent and equally well educated.

If they just wanna have a good time, that's a different thing.

Yes, I'd do Tina!

[Opsimathia]

Originally Posted by BradPiff

I actually agree with this. A lot of people don't know their lane.

let's be clear tho,men Objectify women because women want to be objectified.

But only by the guys they want.

No woman with a brain that operates would want to be objectified.
It means to just look and not even consider her personality.

[le roi]

Originally Posted by JetJockey

Hell, I'm a mechanic and have been told that if I want to make it in the industry I should put a little more effort into the way I look. I was pissed at first, and then did a little mental backtracking and realized that it was quite true. The female mechanics (and I use that term loosely in many cases) that were pretty got paid better, got promoted etc. even if they weren't as knowledgeable. I also knew many girls that were hired based solely on their looks and it was miserable training and working with them.

So, I've come to the conclusion that of I'm going to make it in my industry I'm going to have to be pretty, even if I have to fake it.

I agree, you are right. However this also applies to men in the sense that we get hired and promoted on the basis of social dominance.

Originally Posted by Opsimathia

No woman with a brain that operates would want to be objectified.
It means to just look and not even consider her personality.

This just seems silly, though. If I spot a woman a block away from me that I've never seen before, why would she be upset that I don't value her personality? I don't even know her.

[Trimac20]

Originally Posted by Opsimathia

No woman with a brain that operates would want to be objectified.
It means to just look and not even consider her personality.

So the women with fake everything, with vacuous personalities, whose mainly interests including getting facials, their hair done, nails done, reading celeb mags...etc, gossiping. They want to be seen for their intelligence? With screen names like hot/chick/babe/doll...

[fleetiebelle]

Originally Posted by le roi

This just seems silly, though. If I spot a woman a block away from me that I've never seen before, why would she be upset that I don't value her personality? I don't even know her.

Objectification has less to do with admiring a stranger, and more to do with the idea (that surfaces on this forum often) that men don't care what a woman does or thinks or has or who she is or what she wants, just as long as she looks hot in a bathing suit.

[Rhenzanite]

Originally Posted by le roi

I agree, you are right. However this also applies to men in the sense that we get hired and promoted on the basis of social dominance.



This just seems silly, though. If I spot a woman a block away from me that I've never seen before, why would she be upset that I don't value her personality? I don't even know her.

At least social standing is something you can control. Yeah, I can lose weight, tone up, spend hours on my beauty regime and get surgery to make myself prettier... But why should I have to do that? It certainly isn't going to make me a better mechanic.

I've mentioned it before, but I had a male friend tell me that I shouldn't have spent the money getting my aerospace engineering degree and instead should have invested in a gym membership and some plastic surgery. I'm starting to think he was right.

[Trimac20]

Originally Posted by fleetiebelle

Objectification has less to do with admiring a stranger, and more to do with the idea (that surfaces on this forum often) that men don't care what a woman does or thinks or has or who she is or what she wants, just as long as she looks hot in a bathing suit.

Constantly playing up your sex appeal to get male attention while ignoring your other attributes is definitely one way in which you encourage men to see you as an object not a person.

[BradPiff]

Originally Posted by Trimac20

Constantly playing up your sex appeal to get male attention while ignoring your other attributes is definitely one way in which you encourage men to see you as an object not a person.

Bingo........

[Trimac20]

Originally Posted by JetJockey

At least social standing is something you can control. Yeah, I can lose weight, tone up, spend hours on my beauty regime and get surgery to make myself prettier... But why should I have to do that? It certainly isn't going to make me a better mechanic.

I've mentioned it before, but I had a male friend tell me that I shouldn't have spent the money getting my aerospace engineering degree and instead should have invested in a gym membership and some plastic surgery. I'm starting to think he was right.

Please don't. Pleasing those kinds of people is just not worth it.

[TheImportersWife]

Originally Posted by JetJockey

At least social standing is something you can control. Yeah, I can lose weight, tone up, spend hours on my beauty regime and get surgery to make myself prettier... But why should I have to do that? It certainly isn't going to make me a better mechanic.

I've mentioned it before, but I had a male friend tell me that I shouldn't have spent the money getting my aerospace engineering degree and instead should have invested in a gym membership and some plastic surgery. I'm starting to think he was right.

You need to find better friends.