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"Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
"Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
I was gonna bust him there to...but you beat me to it.
When dealing with someone who believes that god can actually manage something like this, there isn't much of a comeback.
I let him get away with it because, unlike most times, it was specific to the situation and even if it included when in our presence, there is no way to prove an animal actually feels pain
In the sense that science doesn't actually deal with proofs. The final proofs of logic and mathematics flow deductively from stated premises and achieve certainty only because they are NOT about the emperical world.
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.........not one has ever been able to tell us and medically speaking,
Huh? Pain is pretty well understood, physiologically. Read a journal. Oh other animals may not "call" it pain, but they experience the same
measured response just like we do, none the less. I am sure you would agree their nervous system is pretty similar to ours. Any reason not to believe the evidence that other animals don't feel pain? Maybe you can run an experiment, of course then you will feel guilt, but I assure you, what the critter will not be feeling is guilt. They react the same way when they sense it. It is sounding like you are really defending your JW.
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there are instances of bodies with nerve endings, etc that have conditions where they cannot 'feel'.
If their nervous system is damaged they would be impervious to pain, such as a severed spinal cord.
. It is sounding like you are really defending your JW.
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No. Logic and common sense and my own beliefs are enough to know he was FoS.
I do play devil's advocate though to try to anticipate or understand anothers argument.
No. Logic and common sense and my own beliefs are enough to know he was FoS.
I do play devil's advocate though to try to anticipate or understand anothers argument.
I do it too. Want to throw it up on the wall and see what sticks.
Chango says: The bible is a "unreliable" source for the truth.
Chango also says: The "humanization" of animals is a very recent phenomenon, not older than 60 or so years...about the time Disney started their thing and we started getting stuff like "lassie" and "old yeller" and all that jazz.
Therefore, belief that an animal feels "suffering" or any other human emotion would be foreign to the writers of the bible or those who interpreted it for the vast majority of Christianity's 2000 years of existence. According to western thought, animals were there for human use (I still think "dominion" includes that assumption), and by considering them inhuman, what animals feels becomes irrelevant. Of course, Europe took that even farther by deciding many groups of humans were not human and debated they didn't have spirits too, all in an attempt to justify the exploitation and destruction of native cultures worldwide during the period of colonial expansion.
Merely asking the OP's question shows how modern cultural bias changes the game as culture changes and evolves over time. We see everything through our own cultural lenses, of course and trying to make current needs/opinions jive with the past inevitably alters the material. It doesn't just happen with the humanization of animals, of course; this topic could (and does) fill several very large and ugly anthropology books... but face the facts people... your religion(s) is/are NOT what was believed and taught even a hundred years ago, much less 2000 years ago. So much for the eternal, unchanging god idea.
Why did my cat shriek when her paw got caught under my boot?
Of course animals feel pain, science tells us that now. But I'm arguing for human perceptions, cultural expectations and assumptions, not real-life.
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