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Old 08-10-2010, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Personally "Nikk", I believe that it is cruel to "debunk" one's faith. This is why I prefer to chat with non-believers of the bible like myself. I used to be Catholic, so I completely understand your logic. My best advice to you is NOT to study ancient history, or YOUR "god" will cease to exist.
I wish I could be more like you Charlotte...but alas...I cannot sit idly by while people spew myths, legends and fables and call it TRUTH...especially when they set themselves up as somehow superior to the rest of humanity while doing so but in actuality...they look pretty darn foolish.
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Old 08-10-2010, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Yes he did. Satan is a very powerful angel. He is much more intelligent than any human being and he is much more cunning, charming and seductive than any human being. He rebelled against God and wants to be worshipped above God. He deceives humans into believing God does not exist and other sins.
Jesus Christ came and died so that by looking to Christ nailed to a pole all Satan's work could be undone.
You didn't address my question. Did death of animals take place before the sin of man? If so, please explain why/how death, which is supposedly the result of sin, took place before sin.
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Old 08-10-2010, 11:13 AM
 
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You didn't address my question. Did death of animals take place before the sin of man? If so, please explain why/how death which is supposedly the result of sin, took place before sin.
Scripture has the answer:

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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Old 08-10-2010, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Yes he did. Satan is a very powerful angel. He is much more intelligent than any human being and he is much more cunning, charming and seductive than any human being. He rebelled against God and wants to be worshipped above God. He deceives humans into believing God does not exist and other sins.
Jesus Christ came and died so that by looking to Christ nailed to a pole all Satan's work could be undone.
Can you please provide scripture where this alleged rebellion took place...because honestly....I've read the bible thousands of times and have yet to find this great angel rebellion anywhere...especially the part where he wants to be worshipped above god and is gods enemy. If you've ever read the book of Job...it is clear that the alleged satan does NOTHING without gods express permission.
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Old 08-10-2010, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Scripture has the answer:
Did animals die before man sinned? If the wages of sin is death and animals cannot sin, no animal should have died before the sin of man, correct?
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Old 08-10-2010, 11:16 AM
 
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Scripture has the answer:

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
I don't understand "by-bull" so you will have to translate please.
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Old 08-10-2010, 11:18 AM
 
Location: In a house
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1. Humans ARE animals, by default. It's not "animal, mineral, vegetable, or human."
2. Other animals sin all the time, if you want to go by what the Torah and New Testament consider sins. Other animals don't marry - but they have sex anyway.
3. I don't believe in sin, therefore, no, I don't believe other animals sin. I also don't believe human animals sin. Rutebega though, I have my doubts about.
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Old 08-10-2010, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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And it's getting harder these days to tell people lies!
Well, you don't seem to have a problem with that
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Old 08-10-2010, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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I don't understand "by-bull" so you will have to translate please.
Oh, that's easy. The word means 'book.' In this case, capitalized as a proper noun denoting a specific book. It comes in different versions, revered by different people (for different purposes!)
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Old 08-10-2010, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Sin is strictly a religious concept, and I believe all religion is myth, and since animals have no religion or myths, therefore they cannot sin, but live mostly guilt free...
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