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Old 10-26-2010, 12:15 PM
 
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i did not the answer about the work jesus is coming to do.
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Old 10-26-2010, 04:02 PM
 
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Muslims believe in Jesus' miracles However, they don't believe in His crucifixcion,His burial,His resurrection or His ascension. They believe Allah to be the one true God.

um... first off 'Allah' means god... Jews, christians, and Muslims believe in the same god, just don't walk on the same paths. Muslims believe that jesus was a great man, and a prophet to god(aka Allah/Yahweh) like Muhammad and Mosses. they are three prophets of the same god... i'm pagan and i know more then christians... not to Offend, please trust me on that.

and someone said "the difference comes in the writings of the Bible vs. the writings of Mohammad (Qur'an)." it should be 'the writings of the new testament vs the Qur'an.' they also see Mosses as a prophet.
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Old 01-01-2011, 07:32 PM
 
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Muslims, And others who like to pretend they have truth or knowledge

IN REALITY .........HAVE NO HISTORICAL reality~~~/ NO TRUTH~

NOT a single source of evidence to back up a single word they saY.

THE FACTS ARE PROVEN HERE


The Jews /

were driven to egypt by a great fammine / DRY spell, that lasted for years.

They came FROM Israel.....

Joseph was the SON of JACOB.../{..ABRAHAM. } & Abraham was WERE the land of Israel STILL sits today..

Moses was BRINGING the JEWS back to ISRAEL WHERE GOD has already told Abraham that all this would happen. 400 years before.

Gen 15:13 God said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years.

Gen 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Iniquity = perversity, to crook, trouble, X turn, do wickedly, do wrong.

NOTICE .......they shall come HERE again: to THE same PLACE the SAME eXact Location WHERE GOD sent Abraham.

FACT.......There have been Jews living in the Mid East.... for the last 4000 years.

The Jews were attacked by Babylon, They were made slaves, for about 70 years.


FACT....is .... The awesome book of Daniel { clearly } records all this, ~in deep, crystal clear detail....

The Jews were freed & continued to live in *& around Jerusalem , Israel & Judah.

BABYLON ,Then Which became Rome, WHO

Rome, WHO... Attacked the Jews again / hundred of years later, Driving them into slavery & supression. ..

Rome TRIED to KILL JESUS at his birth [ King HEROD as the bible says }} & went on put Jesus, / Yashauh } on the cross,

DUE to the complaint of a small handfull of Jews...

Many Jews went on to accept Yashauh & THE JEWS wrote THE NEW TESTAMENT
Rome loosing power again / LOOSING a GRIP on its power, DUE TO the effect ofCHRIST-ians in the 3 rd century.

Christian JEWS taught, ~~ to not practice pagan ROMAN practices.

They were Working signs & miracles through Yashauah the Spirit.

GOD of the BIBLE

Driving the power to go against ROMAN pagan RELIGION & LOYALITY in an uproar.....

ROME in the 3 rd century incorporated a few lines of the bible into its blasphemous pagan dates, ceremonies & ideologies

* .....Calling it CATHOLIC .

CATHOLICISM made their PERVERTED form of So called CHRISTIANITY..into STATE LAW.

No Jews were allowed have churches.

BY 388, all marriages between Jews and Christians were forbidden & punishable BY DEATH.

The third selection, a law of Theodosius II (408-410), prohibits Jews from holding any advantageous office of honor in the Roman state.

Much, much more could be proven & eXplained in detail ~

GOING BACK again to the ~~begening at Gen 15:7 HOW, God brought Abraham out of the land of Ur .....to give thee this land to inherit it.

The Jews have been living IN ISRAEL since Jacob.....

Which God changed THE NAME OF JACOB into ISRAEL..
.
Israel is the HOME LAND OF the JEWS.

...Israel has been around since Abraham.

Now

Roman Catholicism Since the 3 rd CENTURY ...Has continued to attack & drive the Jews Out of their homeland.
The catholic church set out on 9 bloody crusades .

The first crusade ROMES main Target was Israel.

The Jews were slaughtered by the thousands for not converting to the New PAGAN religion..

Remember ..... Babylon. the Refusal of DANIEL to bow to the PAGAN GOD.....

Remember ..... Rome with Jesus & the disciples.... refusing to bow to the ROMAN pagan supression and man MADE worship of the Roman Leaders....

Causing The Jews to rebell in anger
in anger to the Roman PAGAN enforced MONOGAMY ANTI POLYGAMY laws

The Roman enforcment of celebrating paganism......in AD 70 the Jews were AGAIN

driven.......out of their HOMELAND........
THEN CAME ISLAM....in the 7 th century
..Mahoumud Continued this cycle ( HE WAS DEMON POSSESED}

*& he admiTed HE HAD A SATANIC / DEMON SPIRIT.. attatched to him.


Muslim:C14B39N6759 Thereupon Allah's Messenger Mahoumud said: "It is your devil who has come to you."

I said: "Allah's Messenger, is there a devil with me?" He said: "Yes." I said: "Is there a devil attached to everyone?" He said: "Yes." I said: "Allah's Messenger, is there a devil attached to you also?" He said: "Yes."'"




The pagan Arabians LOVED him.....

..Mahoumud the filthy, perverted, freak~~ slithering around the desert murdering & stealing things for them......

..Mahoumud inspired by satan & HELL continued to ATTACK & MURDER thousands of innocent Jews.

Islam ( as the good Jews knew ) & STILL KNOW TODAY

IZZ SLAM B~ 4~ the 7th CENTURY has -no preserved record, NO BIBLES-

nothing

NO PRESERVED BOOKS-No Historic Maps-

no geographic records-~-nothing

~IZZ SLAM B~ 4~ the 7th CENTURY has -NO HISTORY OF ISLAM -no CHRONICLES -NO ARTIFACTS

~IZZ SLAM B~ 4~ the 7th CENTURY has -NO Genealogies

of ANYONE

~IZZ SLAM B~ 4~ the 7th CENTURY has not even a scratch on a cave wall.

OR ANYTHING proving a single person on earth SERVED the GOD of Abraham as an~~~

ALLAH or in a single ~ islamic act of worship.

SEARCH ~` Enternet & Librarys …Thousands ~historic ~ VALIDATIONS~ for bible eXist Thousands ~years AGO…

buT…NOT A single 1. ~

Not 1........... historical FACT eXists to PROOV~IZZ SLAM eXisTed ..B.. 4./ the ..7..th century.


Why.

Muslims have no answer.

...THEY can not answer this Question.....bec they dont care...about preserved records, BIBLES -PRESERVED BOOKS.

Muslims dont care about Historic Maps, geographic records-

Muslims dont care about CHRONICLES & ARTIFACTS .
.
These things are an insult to everything islam is......

Catholic Hitler, Born a catholic...Baptised & confirmed & died a catholic.

HITLER ..Aligned with ROME again in the 19 th century

The muslims RAISED a 22000 man army of MUSLIM Terrorists who JOINED up with HITLER..

The MUSLIMS aligned WITH CATHOLIC HITLER.....in the 1900s ..atempting to ..chase the surviving Small percentage Jews out of Israel.


There have allways been Jews in israel.....But MUSLIMS donr evee believe in Jesus....They believe in a 7 th century invention perversion...from a MAN who never seen Jesus,

The prophet of Islam Could not even read the bible ....He invented his Jesus......thinking that he was in line with the bible..

The quran tells you THE HOLY BIBLE IS CORRECT / TO GO TO THE BIBLE>>>>>......

But muslims .....are trying to follow a 7 th century man who could not even read.....WHO LIED about everything he said..

The arabians loved it...

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Old 01-01-2011, 07:50 PM
 
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Just because you stopped using multi colors and and changed your name to anniefrank, doesn't mean we don't realize its you Lion.
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Old 01-01-2011, 08:49 PM
 
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Just because you stopped using multi colors and and changed your name to anniefrank, doesn't mean we don't realize its you Lion.
He, he . . .
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Old 01-01-2011, 09:46 PM
 
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Do Muslims believe Jesus will return?


I can't speak for Muslims, but, his name does re-occur in a variety of inane conversations.
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Old 01-01-2011, 10:02 PM
 
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Maybe our Muslim friends can help me out here:

It seems like a while back I heard that Jesus is mentioned as ‘coming back to earth’ in the Qur'an (I can’t remember where I heard this from).

Has anybody ever heard anything like that? I have only read a few parts of the Qur’an. Do Muslims believe that Jesus will one day return to judge mankind?

I know Muslims believe in the virgin birth of Jesus and that he did miracles, but do they believe in him one day returning to earth to judge?
Islam honors all the prophets who were sent to mankind. Muslims respect all prophets in general, but Jesus in particular peace and blessing be upon him, because he was one of the prophets who foretold the coming of Muhammad.

Muslims believe that Jesus was born immaculately, and through the same power which had brought Eve to life and Adam into being without a father or a mother.

[SIZE=2]"Truly, the likeness of Jesus with God is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was."

Islam believe in the original relegions that was sent by prophets peace and blessing be upon them;however,muslims beleive all these relegions have been changed over time and it is not the original.

The coming of Jesus in Quran
"That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:" - 4:157

"Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise." - 4:158


"And there is none from the People of the Scripture but that he will surely believe in Jesus before his death. And on the Day of Resurrection he will be against them a witness." - 7:159
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Old 01-01-2011, 11:56 PM
 
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Sura 9:30 DECLARED that Jews believe that Ezra is the ‘son of God~~~ just like the Christian claim for Jesus!

THIS LIE is just like every single thing WRITTEN & ACCLAIMED in the quran
Jews have never believed that anyone was the ‘son of God’

, there is no evidence for anything THE QURAN says, !

“The Jews say…” and not “these Jews” or “some Jews” (Sura9:30). The Koran is clearly in error.

I will go hereon & proove BEYOND A SHADOW A of a doubt,.,,,,,,,the entire islamic TEACHING & the quran..is all a lie....

~~~~The Muslim claim that Muslims serve the God of Abraham, ...... a lie
There is not a single VALIDATION for any of Islams Claims. Not even a scratch on a cave wall providing a single proof for this .

This fact alone... That there is not a single 1......not even 1.......item the muslim can lay claim..on & DECLARE....

LOOK...here is a pre 7 th century validation to show that the quran is true in its claim.
or

LOOK...here is a pre 7 th century book , a preserved record, a BIBLE – a PRESERVED BOOK a Historic Map –a geographic record
LOOK...here is a pre 7 th century CHRONICLE or an ARTIFACT.

But muslims have nothing....BEC what the QURAN is declaring & what they are testifying is a lie.....
IF there were people calling The God of abraham ...As allah

IF there were people serving the God of Abraham in ISLAMIC ceremonies

IF there were people, called MUSLIMS.....IF THERE WAS ISLAM......

IF God had sent his word & prophets & had written a SINGLE word in arabic....

WHERE is the evidence,,,............its the complete OPPOSITE.......The Hebrews have the DATA...
The Hebrews have the Artifacts

The Hebrews have the Chronicles, books Geneologies,

The Hebrews have the entire history PERFECTLY preserved,

Book after Book after BOOK all matching up...PERFECTLY
The TURKS & Arabians ....... HIJACKED & stole the stories , stole & robbed the words & stories out of the bible.............& The muslims DECLARE a JESUS who did not speak ARABIC.....did not Go near ARABIA.....
JESUS who did not Go near ARABIA.....DID NOT even speak of the arabians....

JESUS who did not EVEN once Command to practice ISLAMIC ceremonial worship...

JESUS who CONTRADICTED every single thing ISLAM claims .....

The muslims DECLARE JESUS was their prophet,

When Jesus declared He WAS God almighty...& the ONE who had MET with Abraham..Who eXisted before

abraham........Who was the way truth & LIFE......

Muslims have PAGAN CEREMONIAL traditions & Practices, Practiced by arabia as Muhamud began to

incorperate his paganism with pervertet, twisted stories of the Bible.......

~~~~The Muslim Claim that Allah is in the Holy Bible. IN Hebrew... .....a lie

There is , The word { Allah or Hallal }} ~~in the Holy Bible~ & it never means God.....
.This tells you clearly,,,.....Allah was not God of the bible, Abraham or resembling anything to do with Abraham.....or Adam or Jesus.

~~~~~The Quran is filled with Thousands of completly Grotesquely, deranged fatal historical errors
Alexander the Great – A Monotheist?
Sura 18:83-97 a man named “Dhu’l-Qarneyn,” a title that means “Two-Horned.”

This man was a Muslim ( 356-323 BC),) and lived to a ripe old age.

“Two-Horned” was a common title of Alexander the Great in the Middle East during the time of Muhammad.


The title “Two-Horned” came from Alexander’s belief that he was the son of the Egyptian god, Ammon, who was represented by a ram with two large horns.

Not only was Alexander not a monotheist ( he worshipped the Greek gods), but he also did not live to a ripe old age (i.e. he died at the age of onlY 33).

Because this is a clear contradiction of history, modern Muslims want to rewrite
history and say that Dhu’l-Qarneyn does not refer to Alexander the Great but some other person.

In the Koran, the story about Dhu’l-Qarneyn (in Sura 18:83-97) is THE SAME EXACT / same story as the Romance of Alexander,

a legendary Christian narrative that turns Alexander the Great into THE SAME EXACT monotheist.

A FABLE FAKE>>>........STORY that someone had WRITTEN UP In the Romance of Alexander,


in one of his prayers, says, “O God…Thou hast made me horns upon my head,” and in the Ethiopic version of the legend, Alexander is always called the “the two-horned.”

Second, scholars throughout the centuries (including many Muslims) agree that Dhu’l-Qarneyn is Alexander the Great.

The Encyclopedia Britannica states:

“His [Muhammad’s] account of Alexander, introduced as “the two-horned one” (xviii, 82), is derived from the Romance of Alexander, which was current among the Nestorian Christians of the 7th Century in a Syriac version.”

-Encyclopedia Britannica (London: Encyclopedia Britannica Inc., 1957), 15:479.
The Encyclopedia of Islam says:
“AL-ISKANDAR. It is generally agreed both by Muslim commentators and modern occidental scholars that Dhu’l-Karnayn, “the two horned”,

in Sura XVIII, 83/82-98 is to be identified with Alexander the Great.”

-Encyclopedia of Islam, New Edition, (Leiden: E.J. Brill, 1978), Vol. 4.

Even the orthodox Muslim commentator and apologist, Yusuf Ali, admitted:

“I have not the least doubt that Zul-qarnain is meant to be Alexander the Great, the historic Alexander, and not some legendary Alexander.”

-Yusuf Ali, The Holy Quran (Brentwood, Maryland: Amana Corp., 1983), p.763.

Sura 5:73-75, 116, Declared that Christians believe that the Trinity is three gods: Father, Mary, and Jesus

This is a clear eXample Muhamad KNEW nothing concerning the BIBLE.....

Muhamad KNEW only fables, STORIES....faint MYTHS .,.GOSSIP....LIES.....fabrications....& Junk History Junk Theology and inventions...& much more TRUE, LIES .

Christians Nor the bible teaches NOR HAS EVER TAUGHT That mary is to be worshiped...or in a trinity,.

“The words “in a Trinity” are not in the Arabic text. Ali puts it in his translation in an attempt to avoid the rather obvious error that Christians believe in three gods.”

- Robert Morey, The Islamic Invasion (Las Vegas, NV: Christian Scholars Press, 1992), p.153.

The catholic may worship mary as a Queen Holy MOTHER enthroned in Heaven...... But christians nor the BIBLE HAVE not once taught anything of the sort.


The Koran condemn Christians for DECLARING that Jesus was the son of God (Suras 6:101, 9:30, 19:35, 37:151, etc.),


Declaring the Son of God means SEX with God & MARY....

BUT Christians nor the bible have never taught that God had intercourse with Mary
Just like the Quran’s Trinity blunder, Muslims try to say that these verses are denouncing heretical Christian groups in Arabia,


MUSLIMS have no proof for any of there claims... NOT a single 1.....nothing,.,,

This is a clear lie ALL OF IT.

PAGE after PAGE.......the quran is full of COMPLETE & TOTAL lies. & falsehood.

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Old 01-02-2011, 03:39 AM
 
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You notice Jesus prophicied......in the quran,........about muhamud...

But it should be in the bible......but the Jews messed the bible up.......So muslims can not give the verse where Jesus prophicied of Muhamud,,

Muslims answer every single question,,,,,eXactly like this..... it never changes......

Then they claim its in the bible....but when we GET to THE VERSE....the bible is suddenly not really saying that, THE MUSLIMS DECLARES...bec the Jews....messed up the bible...

The bible God promised to preserved.. according to the quran.....as well

So muslims have a promise in the Quran, the Promise is only in the quran,,,,,

not in the bible,
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Old 01-02-2011, 08:00 AM
 
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You notice Jesus prophicied......in the quran,........about muhamud...

But it should be in the bible......but the Jews messed the bible up.......So muslims can not give the verse where Jesus prophicied of Muhamud,,

Muslims answer every single question,,,,,eXactly like this..... it never changes......

Then they claim its in the bible....but when we GET to THE VERSE....the bible is suddenly not really saying that, THE MUSLIMS DECLARES...bec the Jews....messed up the bible...

The bible God promised to preserved.. according to the quran.....as well

So muslims have a promise in the Quran, the Promise is only in the quran,,,,,

not in the bible,
This is the most coherent thing you have written...

Muslims say the bible has been corrupted. Thus they cherry pick from it.
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