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Those are your thoughts and world-views, we are not in a 100% communist/absolutist society as of yet, so far the time being we should be free to discuss what we'd like to an extent.
Absolutely. We are all free to express our thoughts and ideas. I've never thought otherwise. What I'm trying to get thought is our irrational need to matter beyond our current existence.
The fact that so many believe in a creator suggests there must be some evidence.
We were told that Iraq had WMD's and the majority of people believed it. We were told it and sold it, but just because people believed didn't make it true.
No, I see zero evidence. I don't take others feeling or beliefs as evidence.
Again I ask on what other than feeling and faith can anyone say there is a creator?
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The fact that so many believe in a creator suggests there must be some evidence.
Once the vast majority thought: The world was flat. The Earth was the center of the universe. I could go on and on and on.......didn't mean it was right.
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We're not talking about any particular creator.
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I see plenty of evidence. So do most people. Most of the world's religions believe in the same creator.
I certainly sounds like you are. What evidence?
This is the long and short of it when it come to "a creator." Either one of the religions throughout the history of mankind has it right or none of them do. I'll put my money on the latter.
Why is it so hard for the great majority of us to just accept that our existence is due to nothing more than chance? There are some crazy ideas floating around on C-D's R&P forum. Some that sound as if they are straight out of a Sci-Fi novel. Why does there need to be some greater cosmic/divine purpose? What are we all so afraid of? Why do we accept things as fact with no proof?
So....
...what proof do you have that supports your view that we are here by mere chance? Or are you just speculating?
I keep asking this question and, so far nothing but opinion.
No, I see zero evidence. I don't take others feeling or beliefs as evidence.
Again I ask on what other than feeling and faith can anyone say there is a creator?
So, because you see zero evidence, it's not possible?
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Once the vast majority thought: The world was flat. The Earth was the center of the universe. I could go on and on and on.......didn't mean it was right.
Doesn't prove there's not a creator.
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I certainly sounds like you are. What evidence?
This is the long and short of it when it come to "a creator." Either one of the religions throughout the history of mankind has it right or none of them do. I'll put my money on the latter.
Again, we're talking about a creator in general, not specific.
How about we start with mankind's need for a cosmic/divine reason for existence. Or our fear of there being no reason at all.
I doubt that mankind needs a cosmic/divine reason for existence. A lot of us would much rather believe in things that seem true, and actually have evidence that they exist. I believe in friendship, I believe in love. Religion just muddies up the waters of logic.
What I see does not point to there being a creator. I see no evidence of ANY kind to support it. How does one ignore this huge hurdle? The lack of evidence supports my view. What supports yours?
What I see does not point to there being a creator. I see no evidence of ANY kind to support it. How does one ignore this huge hurdle? The lack of evidence supports my view. What supports yours?
Quite a bit of evidence and personal experieces that can not be explained away.
But in my expeience a lot of skeptics find a reason to dismiss the various proofs that I have experienced. Most are weak and show a reluctance to change one's mindset.
My BIG question is there any evidence to support the notion that the Universe just came to be-somehow magically-into being all on its own. Logic suggests otherwise. Can you explain why mathimatics can describe how things work or that DNA is actually a written code? Can you demonstrate they both are just the result of chance? Logic says if there is a code there has to be a code writer. Math...? Good luck on suggesting that just exists due to random chance.
But maybe you can prove me wrong. Side note: "I don't know" is not very convincing in these sort of dicussions.
Quite a bit of evidence and personal experieces that can not be explained away.
But in my expeience a lot of skeptics find a reason to dismiss the various proofs that I have experienced. Most are weak and show a reluctance to change one's mindset.
My BIG question is there any evidence to support the notion that the Universe just came to be-somehow magically-into being all on its own. Logic suggests otherwise. Can you explain why mathimatics can describe how things work or that DNA is actually a written code? Can you demonstrate they both are just the result of chance? Logic says if there is a code there has to be a code writer. Math...? Good luck on suggesting that just exists due to random chance.
But maybe you can prove me wrong. Side note: "I don't know" is not very convincing in these sort of dicussions.
Then by your logic who created your creator? If your creator can be eternal then why not the universe? My big question is if you don't believe that everything just "magically came into existence." How can you then be OK with some eternal magic entity bringing everything into existence?
Can you demonstrate that mathematics and DNA are not the result of chance?
You put forward the idea of a creator without even beginning to answer any of the following: Who,How,Why and When.
Your experiences do not constitute proof. No more than John Q Crazypants that said he saw Bigfoot. Mr. Crazypants then expects that everyone should also believe in Bigfoot. I saw him he says. Prove that I didn't!
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