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...its not that people cant believe in and follow the Creator...its that they wont. In fact, a good many people wont even bother taking the first step to investigating . Frankly when i was a proclaimed atheist of some 10 adult years, I had this bias myself .... I found I didnt want anything to interfere with my personal agenda which included the freedom to engage in any lifestyle choice I desired and the possibility of God existing was a severe fly in the ointment.
And because this was YOUR case, you assume that a 'good many people' are like YOU were??? Like Old_Cold pointed out, since rejecting the god idea, my morals have NOT changed one bit. Sounds like you had a problem you are projecting on others.
I love how GCST's post was completely ignored by the OP. How about some comments or counterpoints to each assertion made in that post?
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Originally Posted by gabfest
Post #33 was rich as well.
I'm curious about this, have you ever noticed how some people have (perhaps unconsciously) allowed their biases to turn them into living caricatures? They're sort of like real-life zombies.
There is just not enough time in the day to respond to every post. Nor would I wish to if there was. Thank you both for your opinions but you know what they say about opinions. Now for some braaainssss.
Why is it so hard for the great majority of us to just accept that our existence is due to nothing more than chance? There are some crazy ideas floating around on C-D's R&P forum. Some that sound as if they are straight out of a Sci-Fi novel. Why does there need to be some greater cosmic/divine purpose? What are we all so afraid of? Why do we accept things as fact with no proof?
Once a person's mind is programmed to believe in the absurdity of a god, then their mind becomes the fertile breeding ground for many other absurdities.
Once a person's mind is programmed to believe in the absurdity of a god, then their mind becomes the fertile breeding ground for many other absurdities.
Like people who believe there is intellegent life on other plants...with...zero...evidence.
Why is it so hard for the great majority of us to just accept that our existence is due to nothing more than chance? There are some crazy ideas floating around on C-D's R&P forum. Some that sound as if they are straight out of a Sci-Fi novel. Why does there need to be some greater cosmic/divine purpose? What are we all so afraid of? Why do we accept things as fact with no proof?
Can you show me indisputable scientific evidence that our existence is nothing more than chance?
There is just not enough time in the day to respond to every post. Nor would I wish to if there was. Thank you both for your opinions but you know what they say about opinions. Now for some braaainssss.
Because you won't even ADDRESS the numerous assertions made by those posters, I conclude that YOUR thoughts on the subject are completely without foundation, probably in reaction to something . . . you obviously are not willing to entertain logical arguments.
The earlier part of your quoted statement is "its not that people cant believe in and follow the Creator...its that they wont. In fact, a good many people wont even bother taking the first step to investigating . Frankly when i was a proclaimed atheist of some 10 adult years, I had this bias myself "
In different words that says " I also......." indicating you think thats why others won't "follow the Creator..."
If you read what I said again, you'll find the sensible logical reasons apply to ethics and had nothing to do with chaos, accidents, worldview, etc.
Ive talked to MANY former atheists and have read alot of books by former atheists and in addition to my own personal experience of wanting to be one...I can accurately say that very very few are willing to diligently dig into the evidence for special creationism because they have an apriori-philosophical bias toward materialism and naturalism. As one prominent Evolutionist by the name of Prof. Lewontin publicly said :'.....for, we cannot allow a divine foot in the door' . So much for objective reason .
Staying on the subject of ethics, how does an atheist get this idea of moral oughtness and wanting to demonstrate ethical standards from a materialistic (only) Cosmos ? How do such constructs ultimately arrive from rocks, dirt, hydrogen gas , et al ...and how much does love or discernment weigh in a material only universe ? Lastly, how do you justify being moral and ethical if they are not derived from a higher standard than yourself ? Finally, if you dont believe there are absolute moral standards and values for all people .... why do your reactions show you have an absolute moral law written on your heart whenever you are morally violated by another ?
And because this was YOUR case, you assume that a 'good many people' are like YOU were??? Like Old_Cold pointed out, since rejecting the god idea, my morals have NOT changed one bit. Sounds like you had a problem you are projecting on others.
Would these be morals in accordance to YOUR standards or a standard beyond and higher than personal opinion ?
Ive talked to MANY former atheists and have read alot of books by former atheists and in addition to my own personal experience of wanting to be one...I can accurately say that very very few are willing to diligently dig into the evidence for special creationism because they have an apriori-philosophical bias toward materialism and naturalism. As one prominent Evolutionist by the name of Prof. Lewontin publicly said :'.....for, we cannot allow a divine foot in the door' . So much for objective reason .
Staying on the subject of ethics, how does an atheist get this idea of moral oughtness and wanting to demonstrate ethical standards from a materialistic (only) Cosmos ? How do such constructs ultimately arrive from rocks, dirt, hydrogen gas , et al ? Lastly, how do you justify being moral and ethical if they are not derived from a higher standard than yourself ? Finally, if you dont believe there are absolute moral standards and values for all people .... why do your reactions show you have an absolute moral law written on your heart whenever you are morally violated by another ?
Let's see if you get any seriously thought out responses.
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