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Old 01-11-2012, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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In this thread and you did not answer the question.

Saved from what?

What have I done to deserve eternal damnation?
I've answered the second question at least twice, including post #48.

Saved from what?

Romans 5:9

“Since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through Him!”
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Old 01-11-2012, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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So? My parents created me and they're not right all of the time. What if God created the world poorly? I'm going to need more, considering how so much of the texts about him portray him as a monster.
God is the Creator (capital C). If He created everything we see & know, including life itself, what right do we have to tell Him if He was right/wrong? Does the object tell the creator (small c) how to do his job?
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Old 01-11-2012, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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God is the Creator (capital C). If He created everything we see & know, including life itself, what right do we have to tell Him if He was right/wrong? Does the object tell the creator (small c) how to do his job?
We have the right to judge any creator because we have the ability to reason and form opinions. If the creator is doing his job poorly, then it is up to the created to tell him so. And morally, the god you worship is just flat out evil.

Have you read any about the Gnostic sects that were running around back in the day? The reason I bring it up is because their cosmology does acknowledge an imperfect creator.
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Old 01-11-2012, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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We have the right to judge any creator because we have the ability to reason and form opinions. If the creator is doing his job poorly, then it is up to the created to tell him so. And morally, the god you worship is just flat out evil.

Have you read any about the Gnostic sects that were running around back in the day? The reason I bring it up is because their cosmology does acknowledge an imperfect creator.
In reality, there's not one thing you can do about it.
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Old 01-11-2012, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I answered that earlier.
Yes. The difference is, God will not hold my sin against me because of my faith in Christ's redemptive work.
You missed the point. The point was, you sin. Even as a Christian, who believes in Jesus's redemptive work, you still sin. So.... in response to your claim that it would be spiritualy impossible for someone to be a murderer and rapist, and still be saved, it WOULD be possible.

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I can agree with the bolded. Only the Creator knows our true intentions. Nevertheless, if you reject God, there is no other avenue for redemption.
I don't reject God at all, infact, I welcome him! It's just that there is no evidence of him. An omnipotent God should have no trouble materializing infront of me and letting me know that he is infact out there. Despite of my many requests, he has failed to do so. He has an open invitation though.

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I have a question for you. If you were God, would you let a repentant murderer into Heaven?
Oh....where even to begin? Of I were God, whether someone believed in me would be of very little importance. Whether they gave praise to me wou8ld also be of very little importance. What WOULD be of importance however, would be the true nature of the human being themselves, of their heart, of their mind, etc. etc. So, if a murderer infact did have a change of heart, and became a good person not only on the outside but on the inside, yes, he would have a spot in heaven.
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Old 01-11-2012, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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Faith in Christ alone. There is nothing that we can do to earn Gods favor. Christ did that for us.

My favorite book James, does say faith w/o works is dead. This is merely saying that works will be the result of our faith and salvation, not the other way around.
That sounds more correct to me. I eschew teaching derived from dogma but have accepted that anything one 'does' is a fairly useless activity - other than its own goodness. Faith requires no action, no proof. It's yours to become. The 'use' of faith devalues it strength. Your faith alone will create the good works.
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Old 01-11-2012, 11:15 PM
 
Location: South Africa
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I've answered the second question at least twice, including post #48.

Saved from what?

Romans 5:9

“Since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through Him!”
Blood sacrifice is a pagan and archaic concept not to mention that human sacrifice was not kosher anyway.

Pointless citing scripture as it has no authority.

And your jesus simply went on a hiatus for less than two days, that hardly constitutes a sacrifice.
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