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Old 09-19-2012, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Warren, Michigan
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Oh, are you a mormon?

No, I am not a Mormon; I am not a religious man at all; I hold to no religion or religious group- no group at all really.

I walk alone in my views. Meaning they are based soley on my consciousness and how my belief system is being influenced by it; not by another human.
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Old 09-19-2012, 05:41 PM
 
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Wait a a second!! I know MY Old Testament. And the Jewish people that it was written to/about still dont think Jesus was all that! It is only speculation by John The Baptist that Jesus was some sort of Savior. I dont believe he offered any proof.

The bible was not written to a specfic people; its intent and message is a worldwide gospel of good news announced to this world about the comming Kingdom of God and their inclusion in it.
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Old 09-20-2012, 04:34 PM
 
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Jesus was the actual creator of the universe and humanity; really all things were created by him. He is far different than we think. An egnigmatic being for sure, he ABSOLUTELY loves his Father God and ALWAYS wants to be at his side; he was at his side when the Father said that there are no other Gods besides himself!
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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What if religious people suddenly discovered that God wasn't outside of them, something to be worshipped or prayed to, but an integral PART OF THEMSELVES -- and that by going to church and listening to what OTHERS said about God, they'd been turning away from Him all their lives?
This is exactly the understanding I have come to...which also was validated by Jesus when he said..."The kingdom of God is within you". We are all ONE and not separate from each other or God as is taught in most Christian circles...which is why Jesus could state that he and the Father were one. Until we raise our consciousness level to that of the Christ...this will always be a stumbling block.
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:53 PM
 
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This is exactly the understanding I have come to...which also was validated by Jesus when he said..."The kingdom of God is within you". We are all ONE and not separate from each other or God as is taught in most Christian circles...which is why Jesus could state that he and the Father were one. Until we raise our consciousness level to that of the Christ...this will always be a stumbling block.

I think Jesus was referring to himself being " In their mist", when he stated the Kingdom of God is within you. I do not believe the Kingdom of God is " Within any believer"; if that was the case, then its contaminated already!
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:28 PM
 
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I think Jesus was referring to himself being " In their mist", when he stated the Kingdom of God is within you. I do not believe the Kingdom of God is " Within any believer"; if that was the case, then its contaminated already!
Well you are wrong. There is no doubt or confusion about either the phrase or its meaning. It is allegorical AND it is actual but for different reasons. The kingdom of God is consciousness and we have consciousness which is "within us" in the sense meant in the passage. But our consciousness is embryonic while we remain in these physical bodies. So we are spiritually as separate from God as we were from our physical parents while we were in the womb of our mother. Only when we physically die is our consciousness reborn as Spirit and we are truly part of God. Unfortunately not ALL of our thoughts and feelings generated throughout our lives are worthy. They will be "refined" out. There is no contamination and there will never be any.
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:39 AM
 
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Interestingly, Jesus body was not formed by any humam male cromozones, blood, cells or anything that is included within the male sperm.

Do you know what this implys?

What God put inside of Mary was literally " From another planet!" A whole different dimension of reality than human.

Think about that.
Far more likely that he was formed in the minds of men and was never a flesh and blood person.
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:46 AM
 
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Josephus was a Jewish historian who was born in either 37 or 38 AD and died some time after 100 AD. He wrote the Jewish Antiquites and in one famous passage described Jesus as a wise man, a doer of wonderful works and calls him the Christ. He also affirmed that Jesus was executed by Pilate and actually rose from the dead!
Oh for heaven's sake. Read Josephus yourself instead of blindly copying and pasting from apologist websites. If you are honest, you'll see it's obviously a later addition.
Josephus: Antiquities of the Jews, XVIII

The paragraph doesn't fit th eflow, it's not in Josephus' style and certainly doesn't fit with him being Jewish. It was never mentioned by any of the church fathers who knew Josephus' work until miraculously it turns up in the 4th century when Eusibius refers to it. Most honest scholars believe that Eusebius was the author of the addition.
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Old 09-25-2012, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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I think Jesus was referring to himself being " In their mist", when he stated the Kingdom of God is within you. I do not believe the Kingdom of God is " Within any believer"; if that was the case, then its contaminated already!
And you would be part of the large majority of Christianity who do not believe that as well. It's a shame because if they believed what Jesus said, and they actually started living through the Source that dwells within them, the world would be a much different place.

As it stands now, most are just stagnating...but some of us have actually been set free because we chose to find the Kingdom by going within ourselves and we have learned to love ALL people unconditionally and without judgment of any kind...this is how we bring heaven to earth and manifest God into the world. This is what following in the foot steps of Jesus is all about!!! He showed us the WAY...but very few choose to actually follow him.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:35 PM
 
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After a life time of contemplation I believe you are on to something. We must avoid the full idea that "we are god"- Our intelligence dictates that is can never be true and is out of order.

Often wondering about the idea of holy spirit- or the essence of GOD. I finally understood that God likes to take a life time ride in your body and look out of yur eyes..I believe that this all powerful entity gets a little kick out of being human for a few moments. Jesus never blurted out the idea that he was GOD himself..others tried to pin this blaspheming on him..Christ knew that God does and can reside in every person. That was part of his message.


I remember going through a period of transformation...I was on top the material world- Had a good income- a very interesting job...nice vehicle- a great family- and a sweet little house in the country in a type of gated community...It was a heavenly place with little roads through the forest..a pretty little lake...BUT there was something missing...The truth- and what reality was as far as human existence.

One night I was taking the north road into the community..it was very dark...and I said a little prayer..."Let me be you for a few moments" - I wanted to know what it was like NOT to be human..I respected the fact that God grants all if asked...It was not a Satanic request of rebellion...So- as I drove along - for about 30 seconds I got to be divine- stood in God's shoes as they say- It was remarkable...but as a human being if you stayed in that state to long- you would cease to exist and disappear.


This kind of divine existence is not in need of a body..or even a world as we know it...It was a strange and intense period I was going through..It was about wanting to KNOW...It changed my life- Being human is kind of tragic in the fact that we have god like qualities and that we are mortal and it comes to an end-

The trick is to know your place- to be in order and to be lawful as far as the human condition is concerned - to respect the knowing that you are but a bit of flesh and you are temporal...It is not so much about submission or surrender...it is about reality- that you are a temporary creature...who will never attain godhood..but will have a taste of the divine - kind of like a father allowing his son a sip of forbidden wine.



Religion is put together as a way of humiliation of humanity- and barring them from entering the realm of the divine...It is an evil device of control---SERIOUSLY speaking religion for the most part can only be described as SATANIC...on the part of those that control it. Christianity was supposed to be a state of mind where you could get to the father through the instructions of Jesus Christ....It was not so much that Jesus was the son of God- He was like any off us - adopted- not adopted by God- but adopting God as your father....



Once the father is at the head of your existence- all is in order and all is righteous and the more chances will arrive for this miracle of earth to be the heaven it was designed as.


Clue- "There are violent men that try to take heaven by force (violence or coersion)"



This stunning bit of scripture --IF there are MEN or (human beings) in heaven- then where is heaven? It is here...for there are no men in other heavens.....



Look at the void of space and imagine yourself a disembodied spirit moving on the deep- and you came to this Eden- this earth- It is a miracle...and those that attempt to play God - damage this heaven- they will never own it but in the meantime they are so damned irritating.
Please tell me why you feel we must avoid this?? Is it because you've always been taught that it is blasphemous??

If we are the temple of the living God and the Kingdom is found within us...which scripture states we are...then why do you feel it is wrong?? It seems to me, based on what you've posted, that you already received a glimpse of who you truly are...why would you reject that knowledge??
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