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Old 07-20-2013, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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That is right, too. While Allenkey is right to suggest that Christian argument can understandably be based on what's in the Bible, there is not now the slightest reason to give any credibility to what is in the Bible, simply because it is in there, which is why quoting from it as evidence is understandable for Christian apologists but is futile because there is now no sound basis for taking it as being authoritative.
Logically, one should not expect to convince anyone of anything without substantiation. If something happens to be in the Bible and substantiatable, then fine. Otherwise it would have to be off the table for any random unbeliever. It would be like convincing me that Sears merchandise is the best by quoting the Sears catalog. Relatively impartial 3rd parties like Consumer Reports or even online user reviews taken as a whole, would be more reliable than that.

But with the arguable exception of Buddhism, religion is not about "don't believe it because I say it, or because it's in this book, but because of your own inquiry into the matter". It's about accepting at least certain foundational assertions as true without evidence, and this is actually presented as a virtue and a gift.
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:48 AM
 
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Reed067:"However I never never understood why some can't defend thier faith without mentioning the bible."

Why not? The quoted are victors of warfare.
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Old 07-24-2013, 03:35 PM
 
Location: New England
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Its because to many, quoting the bible is God doing the talking.

Exodus 4:12 Now go; I will help you speak and will teach you what to say."
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