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In some ways, not in others. You get around a racetrack unaided at 150MPH and I'll believe you're greater than a car. Until then, I'll have to believe reality instead of you.
No. "Magic" is meant to diminish the argument or the poster. ID is a respected term used by both sides of the debate.
But creationism is magic. A supernatural god willing everything into existence through methods we'll never comprehend is about as close to the definition of magic (and magical thinking) as you'll get.
So everything has a source but the universe. Yeah, that's logical.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
isn't it possible that the creator has always existed
It isn't as if you're innocent of this sort of thinking. If it is illogical to make exceptions to your made up "everything must have a cause" you should try to lead by example rather than making the exact same mistake. But pick one or the other and be consistent with it - either everything needs a cause or it doesn't.
I never used the word "God", but rather ID or creator.
Even people pimping ID have admitted (under oath, even) that it is just a code-word for Christian creationism. The whole "ID isn't a religion" approach died nearly a decade ago.
But creationism is magic. A supernatural god willing everything into existence through methods we'll never comprehend is about as close to the definition of magic (and magical thinking) as you'll get.
We witness creating everyday. Why is is suddenly "magic"?
It isn't as if you're innocent of this sort of thinking. If it is illogical to make exceptions to your made up "everything must have a cause" you should try to lead by example rather than making the exact same mistake. But pick one or the other and be consistent with it - either everything needs a cause or it doesn't.
Everything has a cause.
The creator (of anything) is greater than the created.
We observe these things every day. Therefore, it's not impossible that the creator could be exempt from the properties that effect the created, at least to some degree.
The creator (of anything) is greater than the created.
We observe these things every day. Therefore, it's not impossible that the creator could be exempt from the properties that effect the created, at least to some degree.
You are really saying:
Everything has a cause except for the creator.
There is no good reason for this exception, but you believe it anyway.
There is no good reason for this exception, but you believe it anyway.
I gave a reason, one that we can observe daily. The creator (of anything) is greater than the created. Therefore, it should not be inconceivable that the creator exists on a higher plane, exempt from at least some of the properties of the created. Why is that not possible?
Well since you dodged my last post I will jump to this one. What do you mean by "greater" in this context. Surely this is a value judgement?
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