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Yes, but it is God's dumb rules that Jesus has to save people from. God is preoccupied with sexuality and other petty things one would imagine wouldn't bother a god. Even murder doesn't make sense for God to be worried about if there truly is everlasting life- our lives are not even a millisecond compared to eternity- eternity almost makes our brief lives valueless, and in return, everything that occurs in them would semmingly be valueless in comparison to the eternal lives we have "after death". Yet, god requires us to determine within our very short lives that "jesus" (as opposed to all the other equally plausible religons) is real (otherwise we are punished eternally for the very infinite crime of not choosing jesus as the ONE truth based on little to no evidence). Sorry, but the xianity story, to me, turns god into a petty sadistic monster.
I guess I just fail to see how one views God as a sadistic monster..I see everything you said..but the flip side..God is preoccupied with US..his creation..he loves us..he loved us so much he stepped out of heaven..for both of us...and became man..he didnt come to earth to beat people over the head for sinning..or be a merciless tyrant..no..he came because he wants us all to be with him forever in heaven...and Jesus is that way..
I guess I just fail to see how one views God as a sadistic monster..I see everything you said..but the flip side..God is preoccupied with US..his creation..he loves us..he loved us so much he stepped out of heaven..for both of us...and became man..he didnt come to earth to beat people over the head for sinning..or be a merciless tyrant..no..he came because he wants us all to be with him forever in heaven...and Jesus is that way..
God loves us so much that he will burn us in pain eternally unless we accept one story among many as the absolute truth in our finite lifetimes. Any god that would create hell for ANYONE is a sadistic monster. And there is no logical reason why acceptance of Jesus is required to be "forgiven." If you attached strings to forgiving someone, you are not really forgiving them at all, you are extorting them.
God loves us so much that he will burn us in pain eternally unless we accept one story among many as the absolute truth in our finite lifetimes. Any god that would create hell for ANYONE is a sadistic monster. And there is no logical reason why acceptance of Jesus is required to be "forgiven." If you attached strings to forgiving someone, you are not really forgiving them at all, you are extorting them.
extortion..thats not what Christ is all about my friend..not at all..Christianity is above love..the love of the father (God) for us..God doesnt "twist" our arm to make us love him.
If one doesnt believe that they have ever sinned or come fallen short, then I can see why it would seem illogical..
God loves us so much that he will burn us in pain eternally unless we accept one story among many as the absolute truth in our finite lifetimes. Any god that would create hell for ANYONE is a sadistic monster. And there is no logical reason why acceptance of Jesus is required to be "forgiven." If you attached strings to forgiving someone, you are not really forgiving them at all, you are extorting them.
That's only one interpretation of Hell, though. The ancient texts could also be seen to support the idea of Hell as the death of the soul. Just obliteration upon death rather than eternal life.
I also think that redemption requires a lot more than simply accepting Jesus. I think it has to do with a way of living that brings you closer to God and to others. Accepting Jesus means accepting and living by his teachings.
That's only one interpretation of Hell, though. The ancient texts could also be seen to support the idea of Hell as the death of the soul. Just obliteration upon death rather than eternal life.
When I die, this is exactly what I want.
i don't need an eternity in the clouds, 80 years on earth is plenty for me.
extortion..thats not what Christ is all about my friend..not at all..Christianity is above love..the love of the father (God) for us..God doesnt "twist" our arm to make us love him.
If one doesnt believe that they have ever sinned or come fallen short, then I can see why it would seem illogical..
I can see falling short of perfection. I cannot see be worthy of burning and punishment (eternally no less). And what kind of gift comes with strings attached? If God truly loved, there would be no need to "accept" jesus as a reality. Love me and believe in Jesus or else you are tortured is extortion.
I can see falling short of perfection. I cannot see be worthy of burning and punishment (eternally no less). And what kind of gift comes with strings attached? If God truly loved, there would be no need to "accept" jesus as a reality. Love me and believe in Jesus or else you are tortured is extortion.
Moderator cut: Good afternoon all! Just a gentle June reminder to remain respectful of all who come here to post on this thread...It's gotten a bit dicey at times, and I don't want to have to close it as I think everyone's opinions and ideas are valid and have a place, but it's about HOW you say what you say...Thanks!
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