Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Are you defining death as the cessation of existence? If not, then, as I mentioned, I could claim that I died when my fingers were amputated. You seem to have separated spirit from body, and claim that the body has died. That's fine, but you cannot then claim that Jesus as a being died. My fingers died when they met the blade of a table saw, but I am still alive. I could say that I sacrificed my fingers, but I cannot say that I sacrificed my life. If I were a god, I would simply create myself new fingers ex-nihilo.
For the record, I am not trying to argue the OT. But maybe this will help to explain 'something'? As a Christian, it is my belief that when I die from this life on earth, I will enter eternal life in heaven. While in the physical world, I am dead...my body no longer serves any purpose. But, because Christ died for me, I will live forever with my heavenly Father. So if I were to jump in front of a moving train to save the life of my child, I would be 'sacrificing' my life for my child's. But in death, I would live forever...
Father, husband and individual are not mutually exclusive. God and man are. A fruit can be 100% apple and 100% granny smith. It cannot be 100% apple and 100% peach. In the same sense, a being cannot be 100% omnipotent and 100% non-omnipotent.
But he can become a sacrificial lamb by taking on the sins of the world unto himself. And as the son of God he has the authority to take on those sins and redeem them so that we don't have to pay for them individually.
Taking responsibilty does not equate to sacrifice.
Quote:
God isn't the one who sacrificed Jesus - humanity sacrificed him. God didn't lash him or put the crown of thorns on his head or pound the nails into his flesh. That was us.
I see. Can I then expect the claims that "Jesus sacrificed his life for us" to cease? It appears that we sacrificed Jesus' life for ourselves. I guess we should be grateful to ourselves.
This would make "God" a metaphor for "explaining the illogical as being logical." Such a definition is utterly meaningless and at the same time, infinitely meaningful. It explains nothing while serving to explain everything. I may as well claim that going from the first to the tenth floor involves walking down the stairs.
This would make "God" a metaphor for "explaining the illogical as being logical." Such a definition is utterly meaningless and at the same time, infinitely meaningful. It explains nothing while serving to explain everything. I may as well claim that going from the first to the tenth floor involves walking down the stairs.
it seems illogical because we have to look at it through earthly standards..God doesnt operate on the same scale that we have too.
Father, husband and individual are not mutually exclusive. God and man are. A fruit can be 100% apple and 100% granny smith. It cannot be 100% apple and 100% peach. In the same sense, a being cannot be 100% omnipotent and 100% non-omnipotent.
Why do God and Man have to be mutually exclusive? Some religions teach that we are somehow divided from the Godhead and the purpose of our life is to attain atonement and rejoin it. You've established a definition that may or may not apply to the nature of the Trinity and then reject the doctrine of the Trinity based on what your definition of it is.
Don't get hung up on the doctrine of the Trinity. I tend to think that it has more to do with maintaining the doctrinal integrity of the Christian church in the early centuries when they used to argue about the nature of Christ all the time.
Jesus was born of a human woman. He ate, he drank, he slept, he walked, he needed rest. He had doubts and fears, as we see in Gethsemane the night before the crucifixion. The reason the doctrine of the Trinity exists is to justify that Christ had the authority to redeem humanity, in my opinion. But I don't have to make that leap to believe that his sacrifice was an act of atonement between humanity and God.
Taking responsibilty does not equate to sacrifice.
The person or being being sacrificed represents something, be it a gift from the harvest to thank God or as a symbolic vehicle of the sins or desires of the community making the sacrifice.
This would make "God" a metaphor for "explaining the illogical as being logical." Such a definition is utterly meaningless and at the same time, infinitely meaningful. It explains nothing while serving to explain everything. I may as well claim that going from the first to the tenth floor involves walking down the stairs.
The place I work has a large underground parking garage. You have to walk downstairs to get from the 1st floor to the 8th floor.
Sometimes you just have to shift your perspective for things to make sense that seem on their surface nonsensical.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
