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One person goes to the moon..sees it for himself..camps out in a space ship..has a great time..a friend ask about it..but has never been there..so therefore cant grasp everything or the experience because he has never been there..he didnt climb the hills, go thru the valleys..sleep under the stars..so he cant understand it all.
Since most Christians don't believe in reincarnation, it's probably safe to say that you were NOT there to personally hear the teachings of Christ, or to witness the crucifixion. If you truly believe what you wrote above, I wonder, how can you possibly know what Christ truly taught, what he experienced hanging on that cross? Your arguments seem to boil down to reliance on the Bible, which was written after the fact by human beings who had no choice but to write their personal interpretation of what they remembered of Christ teachings. It seems like a big leap of faith to me to place so much credibility in the bible. Not that there is anything wrong with faith per se, but to place so much faith on a book leaves me scratching my head. IMO, Christianity is a misnomer. Rather than Christianity, a more apt title would be Biblianity. I'm not saying this as a put down, so I hope you don't interpret it as such. I'm suggesting Biblianity as a more accurrate description of Christainity as I perceive it to be. Just my truth as I see it. I claim no monopoly on the truth. There are many other truths equally as true as my truth.
blessings.....Franco
well..I guess you are doing a lot of scratching of your head cause I place all of eternity in what that book (the Bible) says.
Good. As soon as we develop a means for me to tap directly into your mind (Vulcan mind meld?), then I can understand what you mean. Until then, all we have are words, and the language you have been using is virtually incomprehensible.
It's not incomprehensible to people who have shared the experience. I can use words to describe in part what I feel when I see my daughter, but unless you have a kid you won't fully understand the words. Or like describing what a tickle feels like to a person who has alway been unable to feel.
You don't need to tap into the mind for a greater understanding, but you do need to have shared similar experiences and emotions to really get it.
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We can adequately, but not yet completely, describe the universe using mathematics. I thought we were discussing God, Jesus, omnipotence and sacrifice, not the universe.
What's the equation for love? Or beauty? Or laughter?
We are still discussing the Trinity and omnipotence and sacrifice. The whole point of this tangent is that you are trying to use words to describe things that are beyond our ability to describe them verbally. Trying to experience these mysteries in a purely verbal form is like trying to experience a city by only looking at a map of it.
Suffering is a human survival instinct. Pain, hunger, thirst, etc., serve to alert our minds and bodies to possible harm or death. Since a god cannot die nor be harmed, he cannot therefore suffer.
It's not incomprehensible to people who have shared the experience. I can use words to describe in part what I feel when I see my daughter, but unless you have a kid you won't fully understand the words. Or like describing what a tickle feels like to a person who has alway been unable to feel.
You don't need to tap into the mind for a greater understanding, but you do need to have shared similar experiences and emotions to really get it.
Since you can only share those experiences using language (at least here on the net), we're back where we started.
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[What's the equation for love? Or beauty? Or laughter?
Love, beauty and humor are subjective. Regardless, they are irrelevant to the topic we're discussing.
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We are still discussing the Trinity and omnipotence and sacrifice. The whole point of this tangent is that you are trying to use words to describe things that are beyond our ability to describe them verbally. Trying to experience these mysteries in a purely verbal form is like trying to experience a city by only looking at a map of it.
The concepts of omnipotence and sacrifice do not need to be experienced. They are fully understood. The Trinity is a rather odd concept that defies logic.
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