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The concepts of omnipotence and sacrifice do not need to be experienced. They are fully understood. The Trinity is a rather odd concept that defies logic.
I would agree..it does defy logic..the logic of man.
yes..he was both..Jesus..on earth=God and man..God in heaven= God..we are getting back to the trinity here..
A number cannot be both positive and negative at the same time, and a being cannot be both omnipotent and non-omnipotent at the same time. We've gone over this already. You can choose to believe in logical impossibilities, but they are still logically impossible.
A number cannot be both positive and negative at the same time, and a being cannot be both omnipotent and non-omnipotent at the same time. We've gone over this already. You can choose to believe in logical impossibilities, but they are still logically impossible.
I understand. But I still don't see why a suffering God is illogical
I already explained that. I'll try again.
Suffering is a human instinct that warns of danger. Humans are fragile. We can be harmed and can die. This is the function of suffering. We have something to lose, namely, our lives. Again, this is what ties suffering to the human experience. Suffering implies danger, impending loss of life or limb.
An omnipotent being, on the other hand, cannot die nor be harmed. An omnipotent deity has nothing to lose. Therefore, a god cannot suffer.
We must be constantly aware of the language we use, and the meaning of that language. For example, if I say that God is a sinner, you would tell me that God, by definition, cannot sin. The same holds true with gods and suffering. A god cannot suffer, by the definitions of those words.
A number cannot be both positive and negative at the same time, and a being cannot be both omnipotent and non-omnipotent at the same time. We've gone over this already. You can choose to believe in logical impossibilities, but they are still logically impossible.
That's why we Christians call it a mystery, and why we focus on the message and meaning behind the crucifixion rather than getting wrapped up in semantic reductionism.
Pure logic can only go so far. Numbers are incapable of describing things that aren't quantifiable.
We must be constantly aware of the language we use, and the meaning of that language. For example, if I say that God is a sinner, you would tell me that God, by definition, cannot sin. The same holds true with gods and suffering. A god cannot suffer, by the definitions of those words.
But not according to how Christians understand the nature of God. You keep trying to define what we believe based on your understanding of the terms we use. The nature of God isn't contained in a few dozen words in Websters, and it isn't limited by human understanding of what is and isn't possible.
Suffering is a human instinct that warns of danger. Humans are fragile. We can be harmed and can die. This is the function of suffering. We have something to lose, namely, our lives. Again, this is what ties suffering to the human experience. Suffering implies danger, impending loss of life or limb.
An omnipotent being, on the other hand, cannot die nor be harmed. An omnipotent deity has nothing to lose. Therefore, a god cannot suffer.
We must be constantly aware of the language we use, and the meaning of that language. For example, if I say that God is a sinner, you would tell me that God, by definition, cannot sin. The same holds true with gods and suffering. A god cannot suffer, by the definitions of those words.
Why do you presume that an all powerful and universal being is incapable of suffering? If a being that made all the rules, chose to suffer, why couldnt it suffer?
Why do you presume that an all powerful and universal being is incapable of suffering? If a being that made all the rules, chose to suffer, why couldnt it suffer?
Because his definition of the word "god" won't allow it.
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