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When various sects of Christianity (never mind different religions) demolish each other's beliefs, it makes our job easier. Ray Comfort is smart in going after believers who don't know their stuff. Tackling the vulnerable is always the prime target. John's 'born again' remark is open to some interpretation. And against that can be put Matthew's remark to not only Peter but the disciples, that they were given the rule of who gets into heaven (I'll get the quotes (1) and while being born again might be necessary it is the religious authority of Peter and the others that has the final say so. So if Ray Comfort isn't a member of the catholic Church, then he ain't getting into heaven, even if he has been born again.
At least that is as valid an argument as his and uses more than One Bible quote and doesn't ignore the others.
(1) Matthew 18. 18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Matthew 16 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
I need hardly explain the paper -trail that the Vatican has 'discovered' leading from Bethsaida to Peter as the first Pope.
Well the divisions within Christianity, and between Religions, definitely helps the Atheists cause.
I can tell you, virtually all of my attention is now directed towards rebutting Evangelicals and not debating or converting Atheists.
Evangelicals like to target what they call "Religious people", which are people that have some knowledge and and are not atheists, but are more likely to listen to them.
You only have to read the comments below the Youtube videos to see how brainwashed these Evangelicals are, ie that "Catholics are not Christian" and "are going to Hell" etc.
"Religion cannot Save you", is also one of their most favourite sayings, as they separate themselves from the word Religion.
These 2 young Catholic girls did not know their faith well enough, to rebuke and reject this annoying Kiwi Ray Comfort guy.
Other groups like the ICoC, which used to be very active on College and University campuses, were the same.
This group are different to modern Evangelicals, and are an offshoot of the Church of Christ, part of the Restoration Movement. (which tried to restore Christianity to the 1st Century Church)
It is easier to start from something, than start from nothing.
Well the divisions within Christianity, and between Religions, definitely helps the Atheists cause.
I can tell you, virtually all of my attention is now directed towards rebutting Evangelicals and not debating or converting Atheists.
Evangelicals like to target what they call "Religious people", which are people that have some knowledge and and are not atheists, but are more likely to listen to them.
You only have to read the comments below the Youtube videos to see how brainwashed these Evangelicals are, ie that "Catholics are not Christian" and "are going to Hell" etc.
"Religion cannot Save you", is also one of their most favourite sayings, as they separate themselves from the word Religion.
These 2 young Catholic girls did not know their faith well enough, to rebuke and reject this annoying Kiwi Ray Comfort guy.
Other groups like the ICoC, which used to be very active on College and University campuses, were the same.
This group are different to modern Evangelicals, and are an offshoot of the Church of Christ, part of the Restoration Movement. (which tried to restore Christianity to the 1st Century Church)
It is easier to start from something, than start from nothing.
Weird how that standard only applies to Christianity.
BaptistFundie I am confused by this statement. If a person claims they are a Muslim wouldn't we all accept him or her at theirvword, or a Buddhist or Hindu. Unless of course they mistake what they are and call it another name.
If I told you I am an atheist, an agnostic atheist, an agnostic atheist of Jewish background or a Canadian what part of that would you not accept? When TroutDude claims he is animalistic I take him at his word. I accept all those who claim to be Jewish or Spanish at their word.
Yes, Cradle Catholic.
And going back to the video/s and Transponder's post, I am yet to see anyone properly explain this "Born Again" claim.
It sounds like it is man-made event in itself, which is exactly what Evangelicals accuse Catholics of - rituals and ceremonies.
Yes, Cradle Catholic.
And going back to the video/s and Transponder's post, I am yet to see anyone properly explain this "Born Again" claim.
It sounds like it is man-made event in itself, which is exactly what Evangelicals accuse Catholics of - rituals and ceremonies.
Derek, I was a speaking in tongues Evangelical for 40 years, and 15 of those years, I was a well known great prophet, I prophesied to people everywhere I went, and NOT ONE TIME DID A SINGLE ONE NOT CRY, THEY CRIED LIKE BABIES.
I ministered in prisons all over Texas and every single time, everyone in the room could not stop crying, seriously. There was a big deal about a woman in a Texas prison that recieved the death penalty, and I was there in that prison shortly after they killed her, like two weeks later.
That woman they killed was such a great woman of faith, she had turned her life around through the zeal of the Lord.
Just saying, Evangelicals FREAKING Change the world, and there are no others who can boast above them from any denomination.
Having said this, and after walking into MANY CHURCHES, having slain people in the spirit so many times as being a great prophet of my own time, I am no longer an Evangelical.
I know longer speak in tongues, although, tongues, whether from God or not, when people speak in tongues, you have no idea the power, but there are many people in other religions who understand the power. A form of meditation that a person SERIOUSLY believes that by speaking, FREAKING ANGELS are speaking for them.
What greater hope could a person have other than KNOWING, that when he speaks in his holy meditations, an angel is translating to the God of Hosts?
It is unspeakable power giving unbelievable hope to those who speak.
Yet, I know longer believe in it, I mean, it obviously has it's use just as a Hindu would explain it, if it is what you believe, well there you are.
The problem with Evangelicals is the fact that they don't know they are Catholic.
Same problem witn 30,000 Catholic denominations who speak against Catholics.
HOW DARE THEY?
They follow what is wholly Catholic in law, in Sabbaths, in Holy days, in traditions, in Ritiuals WHOLLY created by the Catholic church as the pope has all authority to change, alter, omit, create ANY SCRIPTURE.
HE ALONE IS THE AUTHORITY TO EVERY EVANGELICAL, EVERY BABTIST.
They speak ill of their own father whom they follow without question, Protestants can't follow what is wholly Catholic law, WHOLLY created worship system completely full of Sabbaths, Holy days, traditions, and WHOLLY CATHOLIC RITUALS instituted by the Catholic authority, and then say they aren't Catholic?
What kind of world are Christians living in where they wknt admit they are Catholic?
As an Evangelic, I have heard it said many times,'' Catholics are going to hell.''
Let them look in the mirror, and ask them where they derive their worship system from. THEY GIVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ALL AUTHORITY, AND TO CLAIM ANYTHING ELSE IS RIDICULOUS.
Well the divisions within Christianity, and between Religions, definitely helps the Atheists cause.
I can tell you, virtually all of my attention is now directed towards rebutting Evangelicals and not debating or converting Atheists.
Evangelicals like to target what they call "Religious people", which are people that have some knowledge and and are not atheists, but are more likely to listen to them.
You only have to read the comments below the Youtube videos to see how brainwashed these Evangelicals are, ie that "Catholics are not Christian" and "are going to Hell" etc.
"Religion cannot Save you", is also one of their most favourite sayings, as they separate themselves from the word Religion.
These 2 young Catholic girls did not know their faith well enough, to rebuke and reject this annoying Kiwi Ray Comfort guy.
Other groups like the ICoC, which used to be very active on College and University campuses, were the same.
This group are different to modern Evangelicals, and are an offshoot of the Church of Christ, part of the Restoration Movement. (which tried to restore Christianity to the 1st Century Church)
It is easier to start from something, than start from nothing.
Oozing craftiness and cunning I might urge those of various religious denominations to 'Ask an atheist' how to to counter evangelism efforts like that to convert Catholics to a particular brand of protestantism (though I may say that I had Catholics trying to evangelize (1) me - at work, too - not knowing that I was an atheist).
(1) though spellcheck says it's wrong, I know On Faith that it's spelt with a "zee".
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Oozing craftiness and cunning I might urge those of various
religious denominations to 'Ask an atheist' how to to counter evangelism efforts
like that to convert Catholics to a particular brand of protestantism (though
I may say that I had Catholics trying to evangelize (1) me - at work, too - not
knowing that I was an atheist). ".
One's Christianity shows, not in how they evangelize or prosyletize, or whether or not they believe, but in how they conduct themself and how they treat others.
One's Christianity shows, not in how they evangelize or prosyletize, or whether or not they believe, but in how they conduct themself and how they treat others.
I'd agree the sentiment entirely. except I'd use, instead of the term 'Christianity', the word 'Humanity'. Which is quite a handy one as you can apply it to any similarly decent people of any other religion, too.
One's Christianity shows, not in how they evangelize or prosyletize, or whether or not
they believe, but in how they conduct themselves and how they treat others.
Got that right.
(proselityze, proseletyze, prosylitize, prosiletyze , prosilityze, proselityze...not looking it up, I refuse ...red lines under each try!!!)
OK!!!! I spoke into my Smart phone, wasn't so hard...(((drumroll))....proselytize. There! (MQ do you believe it~!)
One's Christianity, humanity, kindness, heart, connection to God, spiritual progress, mental health, confidence or compassion...no matter what word...
it shows the person's character....or how little therapy they have had to resolve childhood trauma
that they project out into the world on the road, on forums, with their family, complete strangers...and so on.
(I'm a big advocate to deal with your *stuff*---knock off dishing it out on the innocent!)
(My chance to rant...
being the recipient of unjust treatment cuz they are still holding onto their old wounds and fear of
dealing with pain as an adult...even while 'trying to be good Christians'.)
Because 'mean' is not who we are.
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I might urge those of various religious denominations to 'Ask an atheist' how to to counter evangelism efforts like that to convert Catholics to a particular brand of protestantism (though I may say that I had Catholics trying to evangelize (1) me - at work, too - not knowing that I was an atheist). 
I'd agree the sentiment entirely. except I'd use, instead of the term 'Christianity', the word 'Humanity'. Which is quite a handy one as you can apply it to any similarly decent people of any other religion, too.
...red lines under each try!!!)
