We already know there is an afterlife! (cremation, reincarnation, quote)
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Interesting subject; I have two questions that may pertain to this particular topic or may not, you decide. First question, if a person dies unexpectedly, which seems to be the case anyway because nobody really expects to die, does that person know that their dead?..... Second question, it has often been related by individuals who have had near-death experiences that they have proclaimed that they have gone towards the light in the tunnel of some kind, is it possible that that tunnel is a woman's birth canal and the light that you are seeing is you being born again. Something to think about.
First of all, didn't Jesus teach ' sleep ' in death ? _______ - John 11:11-14
Jesus was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures which also teach unconscious sleep in death:
Please see - Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; 146:4; Daniel 12:2,13; Ecclesiastes 9:5
So, if a person is knocked dead, dies on an operating table, they might Not know they are in death's sleep.
Just as we do Not know the passing of time while asleep, the dead know nothing - Ecclesiastes 9:5
Even atheists see that ' light in the tunnel ' but such people are Not completely dead at that point.
Afterlife indicates being more alive at death than before death.
If that was the case there would be No need for a resurrection - John 5:28; Acts 24:15
Seems a lot of 'takes' on the idea of an afterlie, from reincarnation to Us continuing after death. In some identifiably Same but undefinably Better body.
Aside from noting that it would seem to be an element of wishful thinking that I could blame on an evolved survival -instinct, AND that it wouldn't worry me unuly if there was one, since I cannot credit for an instant that any one of the myriad manmade gods is in actuality handing out afterlife -passes, I have seen nothing here to persuade me that there is really an afterlife. Therefore, I propose, friends, that you consider taking the Reverse Pascall. Since you cannot count on another life and you cannot expect to gain anything by believing there is one, but only lose out on the one life we have if you don't make the most of it, Bet on disbelief in a next life and bet on this one.
A ' Better body ' will come during Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulershio over Earth.
The dead will hear the sound of Jesus' voice and will be resurrected back to healthy physical life - John 5:28; Acts 24:15
Everyone Jesus resurrected while on Earth had a healthy physical resurrection back to life on Earth.
Jesus was showing us a preview, or a coming attraction, of what he will be doing on a grand global scale during his millennium-long day of governing over Earth.
Not afterlife but resurrected life - 1st Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
Some people to heaven - Rev. 20:6; 5:9-10;2:10, but the majority of mankind to have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to life on a beautiful paradisical Earth under Christ's millennial rulership over Earth - Revelation 22:2
Interesting subject; I have two questions that may pertain to this particular topic or may not, you decide. First question, if a person dies unexpectedly, which seems to be the case anyway because nobody really expects to die, does that person know that their dead?..... Second question, it has often been related by individuals who have had near-death experiences that they have proclaimed that they have gone towards the light in the tunnel of some kind, is it possible that that tunnel is a woman's birth canal and the light that you are seeing is you being born again. Something to think about.
I've had tunnel vision during panic attacks. I have no reason to think I was actually inside a vagina at the time.
... if a person dies unexpectedly, which seems to be the case anyway because nobody really expects to die, does that person know that their dead?....
people who are very old often expect their death
people who are very sick or have serious illness or disease often expect their death
people who have no desire to continue living often expect death
people in hospice expect to die
whether someone knows they are dead is in large part dependent on how the person dies. When the circumstances of death are sudden, traumatic, violent then those are the times most often that a person does not know they are dead. That is why scenes of violent death (murder in a house; bus wreck; mass slaughter in war time) are often described as "haunted" because spirits are stuck there trying to interact with the living because they don't know they are dead.
in talking to people who have died (for instance during a surgery or car wreck) who were then resusciated they describe this exactly. They were trying to talk to people in the room, or in the ambulance, saying "i'm right here" and were perplexed that no one could see them, no one answered them, no one paid any attention to them.
once the spirit realizes that the person has died, then they are able to be escorted away from the place where they died, and continue with the next activity or phase
Casey Kasem didn't seem to age either. I don't think dormant is the right word. Everything gets recycled. The atoms of your body become something else and who knows what happens to your energy. The example of the seasons even suggests that is the natural order. Without it the particular arrangement I call me would never even have come to be. I don't think it is something to be feared. The question for me would be "is that me?" I am pretty attached to this particular expression of matter or energy or whatever makes up me.
I am inclined to think our energy is recycled somehow.
A ' Better body ' will come during Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulershio over Earth.
The dead will hear the sound of Jesus' voice and will be resurrected back to healthy physical life - John 5:28; Acts 24:15
Everyone Jesus resurrected while on Earth had a healthy physical resurrection back to life on Earth.
Jesus was showing us a preview, or a coming attraction, of what he will be doing on a grand global scale during his millennium-long day of governing over Earth.
Not afterlife but resurrected life - 1st Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
Some people to heaven - Rev. 20:6; 5:9-10;2:10, but the majority of mankind to have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to life on a beautiful paradisical Earth under Christ's millennial rulership over Earth - Revelation 22:2
That is one of the reasons I doubt the claims of resurrection. They don't seem to know whether this means a judgement on an as-you-die basis or upon rising from the graves (or pottery urn) upon the expected 2nd coming.
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I am inclined to think our energy is recycled somehow.
I think it is, too. Mystic phd once made a good point that matter and energy are effectively the same 'stuff'. I don't know that can be thought of a 'Life' even if it comes after death. I know you weren't suggesting it was an afterlife. It just occurred to me that the thread was about proving an afterlife, or indeed pretending that it was proved.
people who are very old often expect their death
people who are very sick or have serious illness or disease often expect their death
people who have no desire to continue living often expect death
people in hospice expect to die
whether someone knows they are dead is in large part dependent on how the person dies. When the circumstances of death are sudden, traumatic, violent then those are the times most often that a person does not know they are dead. That is why scenes of violent death (murder in a house; bus wreck; mass slaughter in war time) are often described as "haunted" because spirits are stuck there trying to interact with the living because they don't know they are dead.
in talking to people who have died (for instance during a surgery or car wreck) who were then resusciated they describe this exactly. They were trying to talk to people in the room, or in the ambulance, saying "i'm right here" and were perplexed that no one could see them, no one answered them, no one paid any attention to them.
once the spirit realizes that the person has died, then they are able to be escorted away from the place where they died, and continue with the next activity or phase
The only problem with the experience of these folks is that their bodies were not actually dead. That means simply that they were not actually dead. Their brains may have shut down (which beggars the question how they could be hallucinating) but they were still alive.
My personal experiences were not near death but actual death and then the feelings that the deceased was present in spirit. Not only that, actually communicating (not long conversations but feelings of a message). A grieving mind perhaps? I'm not entirely sure but I lean toward the grieving mind.
The circumstances were that I was not expecting anything the first time I felt his presence and the second time I was expecting to feel his presence but there was nothing (viewing his body). The third time too, there was nothing (his funeral).
That is one of the reasons I doubt the claims of resurrection. They don't seem to know whether this means a judgement on an as-you-die basis or upon rising from the graves (or pottery urn) upon the expected 2nd coming.
I would suggest that if there is some form of postmortem existence, it is instantaneous. The sleep like unconscious state until judgement day is a bit of a fabrication (a load of bull).
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