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Again, HOW is it "declaring that they are good and that God approves of their sin"? Please, enlighten us as to how that works.
How do I measure it? Well, it is pretty simple really. Look at what Jesus said, and then look at how they act. You make it very clear that you are not Christlike at all. Yet you are a preacher, which is rather confusing. I don't believe in your religion or your Bible, but I am pretty sure Jesus didn't say, "Help those in need, but only if they come to you first, lest ye be judged for helping sinners!".
Hey Viz, did you miss my post? Please, do try to answer the question at top. I only ask because you keep skirting answering it, even in posts to people other than myself.
Hey Viz, did you miss my post? Please, do try to answer the question at top. I only ask because you keep skirting answering it, even in posts to people other than myself.
I did actually...until I just ansewred it. I edited it and added the quote from you here to it to tell you.
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Again, HOW is it "declaring that they are good and that God approves of their sin"? Please, enlighten us as to how that works.
Providing basic human needs to a person is not the equivalent to starting a "Rainbow Mormon Initiative". Did you read the description? It talks about those that are gay within the church and to encourage them, to help them and make them feel safe as they stay in their sin. That's where I have an issue. I cannot encourage a person to think that Christianity is compatible with homosexuality.
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How do I measure it? Well, it is pretty simple really. Look at what Jesus said, and then look at how they act.
You mean, like when he tossed over tables and threw the moneychangers out of the temple because they were perverting it? Or when he called the Pharisees a brood of vipers and whitewashed tombs? When he said not to sin? When he said not to be like the hypocrites?
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You make it very clear that you are not Christlike at all. Yet you are a preacher, which is rather confusing. I don't believe in your religion or your Bible, but I am pretty sure Jesus didn't say, "Help those in need, but only if they come to you first, lest ye be judged for helping sinners!".
I think the issue is that you really don't seem to have a clue what Christianity is. You seem to like the hippie-feel-good Jesus that wants to love on everyone and be their bud, but you don't seem to realize that he really does expect us to put away our sin.
There is nothing about being a Syrian that is contradictory to Christianity. Why would you ask such a thing?
Being a Muslims is a sin though, correct? If simply showing compassion, as the LDS did for the LGBT community, to people who sin is the affirmation of sin, then there's no reason someone who opposes what this thread is about wouldn't also be just as opposed to bringing in refugees of a religious minority.
And before you try and say they are different, I saw nothing about what the Mormon church is doing as endorsing the act of homosexual sex. If you read the Huffpost article, which I know you did because otherwise would wouldn't voice an opinion, you'd know that at not point is homosexual sex actually be endorsed. The article states that the official stance of the Mormon church is that homosexuality is a sin, and there's no evidence to suggest that anyone is trying to change that (except for maybe the threat of excommunication, which isn't' applied to all sins). The article points out that the person who started the initiative did so after studying the high rates of suicide among LGBT people and how they are flat out rejected by the church, as are the children of homosexual parents. Seeing as Jesus spent much of his time with sinners, it seems weird that a church with him as the central figure would behave in this way.
But, you came to your conclusion, so I can only assume that you believe treating sinners as if they are people without forcing them to change is endorsing their sins. Thus, you should not want to bring in Muslim refugees without expecting them to abandon their sinful ways.
I did actually...until I just ansewred it. I edited it and added the quote from you here to it to tell you.
Fair enough!
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Providing basic human needs to a person is not the equivalent to starting a "Rainbow Mormon Initiative". Did you read the description? It talks about those that are gay within the church and to encourage them, to help them and make them feel safe as they stay in their sin. That's where I have an issue. I cannot encourage a person to think that Christianity is compatible with homosexuality.
To encourage them to seek help and not hide in the closet. This is not the same things as encouraging homosexual sex, Vizio.
And what is wrong with making them feel safe? You would rather them be scared everyday of their life? What kind of person would say something like that?
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You mean, like when he tossed over tables and threw the moneychangers out of the temple because they were perverting it? Or when he called the Pharisees a brood of vipers and whitewashed tombs? When he said not to sin? When he said not to be like the hypocrites?
Do you really think those are the same as a gay teenager? Really?
No, I am talking about the Jesus that hung out with prostitutes and whatnot.
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I think the issue is that you really don't seem to have a clue what Christianity is. You seem to like the hippie-feel-good Jesus that wants to love on everyone and be their bud, but you don't seem to realize that he really does expect us to put away our sin.
No, I do. I live in the Bible belt, Vizio. I have seen religion firsthand almost every day of my life. I know what it is, and what it is about. Your brand is a dying breed within Christianity.
It is fine if he tells you to "put away your sins". Do you think he would say, "Put away your sins, or never come back!"? Cuz that seems to be about what you are saying here. You can help people without encouraging the actual lifestyle. You can even let them know you will help without encouraging it. I don't see what is so hard for you to understand about that.
To encourage them to seek help and not hide in the closet. This is not the same things as encouraging homosexual sex, Vizio.
And what is wrong with making them feel safe? You would rather them be scared everyday of their life? What kind of person would say something like that?
Do you really think those are the same as a gay teenager? Really?
No, I am talking about the Jesus that hung out with prostitutes and whatnot.
No, I do. I live in the Bible belt, Vizio. I have seen religion firsthand almost every day of my life. I know what it is, and what it is about. Your brand is a dying breed within Christianity.
It is fine if he tells you to "put away your sins". Do you think he would say, "Put away your sins, or never come back!"? Cuz that seems to be about what you are saying here. You can help people without encouraging the actual lifestyle. You can even let them know you will help without encouraging it. I don't see what is so hard for you to understand about that.
He seems NOT to have the agape love that Christ asked us to show to each other. I suspect he doesn't even know what agape means or why Christ emphasized it so much..
I already did. I have at different times in my past helped and done business with gay people. It does not mean that I endorse them. But I did not make a political statement about it, as this situation appears to be.
No you did not. Read her last question and then please respond to that . It's very relevant concerning your attitude towards others who won't condemn gays .
I already did. I have at different times in my past helped and done business with gay people. It does not mean that I endorse them. But I did not make a political statement about it, as this situation appears to be.
No you didn't. I asked: In the event that you would offer assistance to an LGBT person, how would you feel about someone accusing you of "endorsing sin"?
Well congrats to Viz for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. An atheist finally has something nice to say about theists, and then he embodies the very reason atheists critique believers. In the same thread.
Well congrats to Viz for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. An atheist finally has something nice to say about theists, and then he embodies the very reason atheists critique believers. In the same thread.
I find it interesting that the only time you actually value a religious group is when they endorse sin. So...as long as they agree with you, they're swell.
You're as intolerant as anyone.
Oh good grief Visio. This thread is about positive religion!
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