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Old 12-02-2017, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Originally Posted by Corvette Ministries View Post
Yeah, OK, I see what you are saying. We teach that Jesus is the only way to God. Also, we teach that if people don't accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, they will be eternally separated from God. Guilty as charged.

But lets look at fear mongering.

Fear Mongering
noun
The action of deliberately arousing public fear or alarm about a particular issue.
"His campaign for re-election was based on fearmongering and deception"
The definition, (and the dictionary-supplied example,) imply deception. Christians do not feel deceived by the Bible's description of the only way to God and the results of not accepting Jesus Christ as a savior, as you may recall when you used to be a Christian.

Call it what you will, but IMO to accuse Christians of "fear mongering" when we describe our beliefs is a misunderstanding of our intention and purpose.
If you preached your fear mongering to people who came and asked for it, that would be fine. But no, you trespass to knock on doors and approach people who would prefer that you mind own business. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.
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Old 12-02-2017, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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err? this is not totally true. anti-religion goes by another name. anti-religious socialism.

they have cause a lot of trouble, harm, and disharmony.

but you are right. there is no need to slam a religion but there is plenty of reason to address irrational as much as we can. irrational behavior is independent of belief and is a personal responsibility. what ideology tries to pass the buck of responsibility to other things that are not even alive?
Your response to my post has almost nothing to do with my post.
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Old 12-02-2017, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Here's a quick reference, and better than I could say myself. All the specific Bible references to my statement are included.

Question: "Will more people go to heaven or to hell?"


When you respond to a question/challenge in the post and then bait and switch, that is tantamount to lying in my book.

The poster ask you for a list of people who had made it to heaven. Either you have it, or you don't. If you don't, just admit it or be silent.
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Old 12-02-2017, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Hate to tell you, but Atheist and Agnostics do NOT work overtime discrediting ... It's the FAUX CHRISTIAN's who claim such a thing!!! Just because some sect doesn't believe as "Extreme types do" does NOT mean one is forsaken.

God embraces pure of heart, and accept anyone who wants to do the right thing regardless of their "Faith" or specific Religious orientation. It's what's indoor HEART.. not so much segregating anyone who doesn't believe your particular indoctrinations!!!

I find so many false prophets preaching damnations for those that don't follow their particular BELIEFS pretty telling!! The difference is that GOD knows full well just what's in your heart!! Evil intent is exposed by the damages done to fellow humans/animals and environment.. which BTW was also created for humanity too!!

Damaging fellow humanity/Nature/Enviornement will eventually expose one's soul come FINAL Judgement!!

Why do Cultists always want to accuse other's of HATE/Aberrant thinking and call DOOM and Gloom just BECAUSE?? Easy!! Small minded simply are fixated on a VERY NARROW VIEW of " God's Will" . I simply find it deplorable and disheartening ALL at the same time!! Free will causes nasty/fear mongering types in order to feel validated!! Just maybe these types should be accountable for their own lives.. and not worry so much about demonizing OTHERS!!!

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Old 12-02-2017, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Hate to tell you, but Atheist and Agnostics do NOT work overtime discrediting ... It's the FAUX CHRISTIAN's who claim such a thing!!! Just because some sect doesn't believe as "Extreme types do" does NOT mean one is forsaken. Those who make mistakes.. hurt another and actually REPENT will be forgiven. Talk is Cheap.. as GOD will know what is in one's heart!!

God embraces pure of heart, and accept anyone who wants to do the right thing regardless of their "Faith" or specific Religious orientation. It's what's indoor HEART.. not so much segregating anyone who doesn't believe your particular indoctrinations!!!

I find so many false prophets preaching damnations for those that don't follow their particular BELIEFS pretty telling!! The difference is that GOD knows full well just what's in your heart!! Evil intent is exposed by the damages done to fellow humans/animals and environment.. which BTW was also created for humanity too!!

Damaging fellow humanity/Nature/Enviornement will eventually expose one's soul come FINAL Judgement!!

Why do Cultists always want to accuse other's of HATE/Aberrant thinking and call DOOM and Gloom just BECAUSE?? Easy!! Small minded simply are fixated on a VERY NARROW VIEW of " God's Will" . I simply find it deplorable and disheartening ALL at the same time!! Free will causes nasty/fear mongering types in order to feel validated!! Just maybe these types should be accountable for their own lives.. and not worry so much about demonizing OTHERS!!!

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Old 12-02-2017, 03:24 PM
 
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Thank you for the positive comments for those who left them. Many of you I cannot rep again and my phone doesn't allow me to leave my name so you know who it is from.

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That's not your business.
When I was a child, it was my business as I tried to understand how relationships work and most of it centered around religious beliefs because that was the authority.

My daughter came home asking why we didn't believe in Jesus, a person we didn't teach her about, so my husband wanted to make it our business. Haha. I told him not. We will just teach her how to handle them.
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Old 12-02-2017, 03:35 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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I think the internet is playing a part in it, to an extent. I think what people were afraid to say publicly, they are now bolder about saying.
Yes. IThe internet is I agree the major catalyst in the atheist upsurge. But we need to have the best case. If the religious could put us down with anything that stood up as a credible case, we wouldn't have got started. They can of course pot up a very credible sounding case, and it takes some unpacking to show what a crock it is.

That's what we do, and we use the Internet to do it, or we would not get a hearing. The young people today wouldn't believe us - they wouldn't!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1by0-nkKOTs
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Old 12-02-2017, 03:46 PM
 
Location: planet earth
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I believe that you ARE missing the poster’s point. As an atheist, I don’ t tell anyone that there is no god. If someone asks me, I will say that I don’t “believe” a god exists, that is very different than saying “ there is no god”. No one can KNOW whether a god does or does not exist. I am only stating what I believe, not necessarily what ”is”. I don’t care what others believe. I have no feeling about Jesus at all since I never knew him. I have no problem with anyone’s religious beliefs as long as they do not try to make laws, based solely on religious beliefs that impact me. I have no interest discussing religion at all. Frankly, it bores me. What I do not understand is , why some people are bothered at all by atheism. I’m just living my life, no need to discuss it at all. As far as morality is concerned, I believe most people are only as moral as they choose to me at any given moment.
The reason Christians are so hated, is because they believe it is their duty to prosthelytize - they have no respect for other people's beliefs or traditions. That one thing is why they are ridiculed for being so obnoxious and arrogant.
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Old 12-02-2017, 03:50 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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Yes. IThe internet is I agree the major catalyst in the atheist upsurge. But we need to have the best case. If the religious could put us down with anything that stood up as a credible case, we wouldn't have got started. They can of course pot up a very credible sounding case, and it takes some unpacking to show what a crock it is.

That's what we do, and we use the Internet to do it, or we would not get a hearing. The young people today wouldn't believe us - they wouldn't!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1by0-nkKOTs
LOL

https://youtu.be/d_GLbOLdHc8?t=56s
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Old 12-02-2017, 04:25 PM
 
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Of course. Atheists do the same thing. Don't be a hypocrite.

Again, majority rules in making laws.
Majority rules so long as they don't violate the rights of the minority.

Actually, I don't know any atheists who advocate laws that require the government to pronounce or promote that no Gods exist, not saying that there aren't any. Generally, the atheists I know are humanists, promoting that all humans be treated the same, contrary to many religions that go so far as advocating death for homosexuals and apostates.
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