What is sin?... (disciples, bible, punishment, Biblical)
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Judaism teaches that human beings are not basically sinful. We come into the world neither carrying the burden of sin committed by our ancestors nor tainted by it. Rather, sin, chet, is the result of our human inclinations, the yetzer, which must be properly channeled. - https://www.myjewishlearning.com/art...h-view-of-sin/
It is not really difficult if one desires to be a good person...
So what Adam did in heaven was a sin or not?
Matter of fact, I am totally blank from this aspect of Judaism. Does the story of Adam even exist in Judaism? If yes, what’s it’s summary and who is Satan? A fallen angel?
Matter of fact, I am totally blank from this aspect of Judaism. Does the story of Adam even exist in Judaism? If yes, what’s it’s summary and who is Satan? A fallen angel?
I'd like to hear that, too. I'd suppose that in Judaism, Adam did nothing in heaven. He died, and remains in the earth like all others who have died, awaiting Final resurrection (1). Satan, other than as a rather shapeless 'adversary' of God and all His works, does not exist as the leader of the heavenly rebellion, which provided God with unpaid staff for his eternal furnaces for the torment of sinners (that is, non believers). But Richard will tell us.
(1) Though Paul's theory seems to reflect a belief (perhaps Pharisaical) that Adam's spirit went to heaven after eventual death, came back as King David (as a Messiah) went back to heaven and came back as Jesus to atone (as son of man [Adam] and concurrently, son of David by heavenly descent, not genealogy) for the original disobedience, thus wiping out Sin.
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I'd like to hear that, too. I'd suppose that in Judaism, Adam did nothing in heaven. He died, and remains in the earth like all others who have died, awaiting Final resurrection (1). Satan, other than as a rather shapeless 'adversary' of God and all His works, does not exist as the leader of the heavenly rebellion, which provided God with unpaid staff for his eternal furnaces for the torment of sinners (that is, non believers). But Richard will tell us.
(1) Though Paul's theory seems to reflect a belief (perhaps Pharisaical) that Adam's spirit went to heaven after eventual death, came back as King David (as a Messiah) went back to heaven and came back as Jesus to atone (as son of man [Adam] and concurrently, son of David by heavenly descent, not genealogy) for the original disobedience, thus wiping out Sin.
According to the Torah, Satan is not an enemy of G-d, he works for G-d to do G-d’s bidding, this is portrayed in Job most effectively, in fact, the word satan in Hebrew, meaning “adversary”, is employed ten times throughout the entire Tanakh, four times as an adjective, four times as a verb and two times it is personified...
There is no proof that he studied under Gamaliel or that he was a Rabbi...And, yes, we can be good on our own...
There is no more reason to believe Paul did not study under Gamaliel than there is to believe any of your go-to Rabbis are correct.
And no--I've shown you from the Jewish Scriptures where your own prophets said man's heart is wicked and no one seeks God. You can believe it, or you can choose to ignore what God has said through his prophets.
There is no more reason to believe Paul did not study under Gamaliel than there is to believe any of your go-to Rabbis are correct.
And no--I've shown you from the Jewish Scriptures where your own prophets said man's heart is wicked and no one seeks God. You can believe it, or you can choose to ignore what God has said through his prophets.
Well, being that the Tanakh is OUR book and not yours it would be better understood through the Jewish Rabbis and not through Gentile Christians...Paul merely claims to have studied under Gamaliel and as a Pharisee not a Rabbi...Rabbis came about later...And, yes, we have the ability to be good...
I'd like to hear that, too. I'd suppose that in Judaism, Adam did nothing in heaven. He died, and remains in the earth like all others who have died, awaiting Final resurrection (1). Satan, other than as a rather shapeless 'adversary' of God and all His works, does not exist as the leader of the heavenly rebellion, which provided God with unpaid staff for his eternal furnaces for the torment of sinners (that is, non believers). But Richard will tell us.
(1) Though Paul's theory seems to reflect a belief (perhaps Pharisaical) that Adam's spirit went to heaven after eventual death, came back as King David (as a Messiah) went back to heaven and came back as Jesus to atone (as son of man [Adam] and concurrently, son of David by heavenly descent, not genealogy) for the original disobedience, thus wiping out Sin.
LOL, now there are some things I never even heard of before.
Without evil in the world would we really know what righteousness is?...
Sorry it took me so long.
This is an issue....if you continue thinking in a dualistic way, (black white, bad good, up down) ...then, as you believe this will be true.
In the One...the Absolute...where there is no time, space, past present....only Light, the One...
you would not be asking this question.
Whether Christian or Jew...one must reach a point of the One being All That Is...is there evil?...
Is there darkness?
Yes, in the Dream that this psycho planet, 3rd dimension is...yes....go beyond the Dream, my buddy,
(aka Illusion, Maya).
According to the Torah, Satan is not an enemy of G-d, he works for G-d to do G-d’s bidding, this is portrayed in Job most effectively, in fact, the word satan in Hebrew, meaning “adversary”, is employed ten times throughout the entire Tanakh, four times as an adjective, four times as a verb and two times it is personified...
Yes. While far be it from me to try to instruct Jews in their own Book (I get into enough trouble trying to instruct Christians) Job does make Satan look like an adversary - someone (or someThing) trying to undermine God and mess up his organisation. Rather reminds me of Milo in Catch 22. He doesn't so much oppose him, nor does he act as a gofor. Rather he bamboozles a not -too brilliant commander into giving him a free hand.
Of course we have that definition that apparently comes from Greek translations it's
just 'missing the mark.
I don't use the word 'sin'...I do make mistakes, tho....but, even then my so-called mistakes were perfect for me to learn from!
Sometimes, for the other person to learn forgiveness.
See? Life is really so simple.
I don't recall anything in the scripture about missing the mark.
Though there is something about the hardness of the heart that seems more closely related to sin.
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