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We all know that plants and animals have been bred with artificial selection. That is completely different from the idea that all species were created by chance and natural selection.
And breeders have never created a new more complex species, by the way.
There are NO observations or research showing consciousness and awareness being a product of the mind. None. So why do you keep saying it?
As for AI being possible -- the fact that it does not exist means you do not know if it is possible or not. You have no reason to think it's possible, except that it would support your materialist theory.
AI becoming real in the future is a materialist myth. So is the idea of completely understanding the brain.
That is why you are avoiding the science section with your nonsense. Because there you would probably get banned.
There is also the fact that brain surgery can be done with the patient awake and electrodes used to stimulate specific areas of the brain, during which the patient can tell the surgeon what experiences the stimulation elicits.
Tru dat. And in the other direction, there is the fact that consciousness temporarily shuts down when the brain is at rest (e.g., during sleep, or under anesthesia), and then restores when we awaken. These are reproducible, measurable observations (aka "evidence") in each of us, and not anecdotes with N=1.
As I said, Good4Nothin needs to look no further than himself to begin seeing evidence. I remain interested to know where his intelligence and consciousness come from, if not from his own brain.
Let’s try a small thought experiment, roughly modeling the scientific method.
My hypothesis is that consciousness exists, and it originates in the brain.
My hypothesis is scientific because it is testable and falsifiable. We can do various experiments to test the correlation between brains and consciousness, measure things, look at response times, etc. we can continue these tests to see if any if the consciousness outputs occur in the absence of a brain.
It is also falsifiable, because if can be shown that consciousness arises elsewhere, I ,use abandon my hypothesis.
I can expand on this, and will do so if you are willing to engage in conversation along these lines.
Would you care to set up your hypothesis in a similar manner?
Tru dat. And in the other direction, there is the fact that consciousness temporarily shuts down when the brain is at rest (e.g., during sleep, or under anesthesia), and then restores when we awaken. These are reproducible, measurable observations (aka "evidence") in each of us, and not anecdotes with N=1.
As I said, Good4Nothin needs to look no further than himself to begin seeing evidence. I remain interested to know where his intelligence and consciousness come from, if not from his own brain.
Our conscious experiences react to what happens to the brain. This is obvious, never questioned. So why use it as evidence that the brain creates consciousness?
And you have no reason to think consciousness shuts down when the brain is anesthetized or sleeping. As I kept explaining -- the brain has to be awake and functioning for a person to communicate. You don't know if the anesthetized patient is conscious or not. And people very often report hearing conversations while supposedly unconscious under anesthesia.
It is very easy to make these logical mistakes when trying to understand how consciousness relates to the brain. And these errors are part of the foundation of modern materialism.
Let’s try a small thought experiment, roughly modeling the scientific method.
My hypothesis is that consciousness exists, and it originates in the brain.
My hypothesis is scientific because it is testable and falsifiable. We can do various experiments to test the correlation between brains and consciousness, measure things, look at response times, etc. we can continue these tests to see if any if the consciousness outputs occur in the absence of a brain.
It is also falsifiable, because if can be shown that consciousness arises elsewhere, I ,use abandon my hypothesis.
I can expand on this, and will do so if you are willing to engage in conversation along these lines.
Would you care to set up your hypothesis in a similar manner?
No one can do that experiment, and if they could it would have been done. You can show correlations but not causations.
The mind needs a brain to interact with this world. Just as it needs a physical body. The brain is part of the body.
Our conscious experiences react to what happens to the brain. This is obvious, never questioned. So why use it as evidence that the brain creates consciousness?
And you have no reason to think consciousness shuts down when the brain is anesthetized or sleeping. As I kept explaining -- the brain has to be awake and functioning for a person to communicate. You don't know if the anesthetized patient is conscious or not. And people very often report hearing conversations while supposedly unconscious under anesthesia.
It is very easy to make these logical mistakes when trying to understand how consciousness relates to the brain. And these errors are part of the foundation of modern materialism.
Please define conscious, because I do not think you understand the meaning of the word.
If you are conscious while you are supposedly anesthetized then the anesthesia was not properly administered.
You still have not answered the question: If not the brain, what produces consciousness? Nearby rocks? The atmosphere? How does that work?
I don't know how you could not know any other theories about consciousness. Maybe you have been too walled off in your little atheist world.
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